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  1. For the gist of that first section just read the italics at the end of it, i started rambling --------------------- So in srathor's example the would be ganker "The Warrior" (pure combat spec) brings some decent armor and a weapon and a little food and nothing else. The harvester has to bring his tools and hopefully some gear with some mitigations and what ever materials he needs to help him do his harvesting. In most circumstances someone going out on a ganking frenzy is going to bring the bare esentials for them to fight and nothing else. In the Warriors case The risk is situationaly Minimal (ie. In the circumstance that hes only fighting the harvester and not getting into other fights). His Risk is very low, because the harvester is already at a disadvantaged in overall combat effectiveness (how much is irrelevant in this circumstance) and the warrior is only bringing the gear he needs to be at probably a baseline of combat effectiveness. However his reward can be Low or High or for a very unlucky harvester the warrior could hit the jackpot. So Overall a Low risk with a varying Reward tier ranging from jack and shyt to multiple stacks of mats. The havester however is always in a High risk circumstance because not only is his total combat effectiveness lower, the act of harvesting takes time and makes alot of noise to drag people to him, and also he has to completely focus on one thing at a time (he cant harvest and watch his back at the same time, and he cant harvest and fight at the same time, and any time spent watching his back or fighting is also taking time out of his possible gains from harvesting). Whats the reward for the harvester though? A set of armor that may or may not have better mitigations then his own (depending on if the warrior went for armor that provided more damage bonuses or mitigation bonuses), a weapon that he may or may not be able to use (ie a druid wont find any use from the pistol unless they happen to have a subclass that allows them to use pistols) and what else? If the warrior is smart and doesnt carry around 3 extra legendary weapons and 5 stacks of orange/purple mats what else is the harvester gonna gain? So the harvester is already going in with a Very High Risk, and his reward is either; Complete RNG of the materials he can get and make it back to safty with (Those nodes are either gonna drop Whites or greens or blues or ETC. but even with better stats doesnt mean hes gonna come out with 10 stacks of purps, he might still only get 1 or 2 stacks or purps even with a full focus in that harvesting skill tree, depending on how far he actually managed to get in that time frame, Also i highly doubt there will be a sure fire way to get enough skill in a harvesting profession to get absolutely nothing but purples or higher, everything is always gonna be RNG even if you have a 50% chance of purps and a 5% chance of whites you could still have a poorly made socksty run if RNG hates you) OR hes gonna get complete RNG mats based off a warrior he kills, if that harvester is the first one the warrior ganked then the warrior isnt gonna have anything useful but if thats the 5th harvester he ganked then that harvester might get some free mats and even some mats not from his specific harvesting profession. So the overall rewards in either case are completely random based off a shyt ton of factors, and both the Warrior and the Harvester can make out with utter crap or the jackpot of a lifetime but the actual risk is completely skewed in the warriors favor. But again all this assumes the implausible circumstance that somehow throughout the entire open world only these 2 individuals find each other and there is no external interference from any other sources ------------------------ Now realistically all the complaints about harvesters being at a disadvantage to gankers is true to a certain degree. But because CF is an open PvP world, the would be gankers are not safe either. A harvester is just as gankable by a ganker, as a ganker is gankable by an even stronger/better ganker and because its open world PvP it literally just comes down to who finds who first and who is more prepared/skilled. An unprepared harvester is gonna have a hard time against an unprepared ganker, and a really hard time against a prepared ganker. A prepared harvester may or may not have a tough time against a unprepared ganker (it relies on the skill of the harvester to use the small amount of combat training he has to his advantage) but will still have a hard time against a prepared ganker. An unprepared ganker might have an easy or hard time fighting a prepared harvester, and they will have a hard time against a prepared ganker A prepared ganker's only threat or challenge would be other prepared gankers of equal/better skill (All of the above circumstances also apply to groups to a certain degree) Any solo person is always in danger no matter what specialization they choose, working in groups, especially organized groups, will always be the better option no matter what the circumstance is. Even then, the groups still have to look out for other groups. So really it just comes down to how low (or would it be high?) on the scale of masochism you are, cause being alone is gonna be 100% torture, being in a small group will be 80% torture, being in a large organized group would be like 50% torture, heck even being in the largest most organized group would probably leave you at about 5%-15% torture cause of random bs that might happen. Harvesters will only have it rough on them if they choose to make it rough, but this fact also applies to any type of character. Moral of the story: Dont Make Things harder on yourself then you have to. PS: Does this forum not have a spoilers button option? Cause i really wanted to put all the excess stuff in a spoiler, so people wouldnt have to see it if they didnt want to, but i dont see how to do that.
  2. Would something like all the survival games harvesting work (like ark/rust/7 days/h1z1/everything else)? Equip the tool bring it out and hold left click/mash left click over the thing you wanna harvest to damage it and get mats to drop, that way you can move around and just smack the ore. And Just like with certain archetypes that have alt skills, assign a hot swap to something like "Y" then when you hit Y you bring out the first tool in your list, then if you continue to press "Y" you can cycle through them, or just make a wheel and when you hold "Y" drag your mouse to the tool you want and pull out that tool. and any time you wanna swap back to your actually archetype skills just press "T" to return to the tray you were using before pulling out the tool Then they could even start toying with the idea of possible harvesting based skills that you unlock deeper in the trees for stuff to add to the tray when you have a tool equipped (i might be remembering wrong cause its been like 3+ years but i think ff14 had something like that) which could improve interactivity slightly. Do you pop your enhance tool spell now for a 2 min buff knowing it has a 30min (give or take) cool down or do you wait till you find a better patch of ores with a few extra motherload ores then pop the skill? or something like that idk. Edit: Heck on the note of equipping the tool and changing the basic attack to a harvest attack ability, make more harvesting modifiers for armor and stuff (kinda like my pistol i made once that had beneficial harvesting ores on it) that gives you something like "harvesting attack speed" or "harvesting damage" then you can add a whole new layer of stats people want for their armors and such. Get high mitigation stats and some harvesting bonuses and have a harvesting set equipped then if stuff gets dicey swap to your combat armors or something. Edit 2: Also this will stop that dam BS that happens when a rock is to close to an ore where your mining your ores all hunky dory then you walk up to the one near the rock and even though your looking at the freakin ore your hammer starts to channel and your like "NO GOD DAM IT GAME I WANT THE ORE NOT THE ROCK" then you gotta fidget around the ore till you get that sweet spot where it lets you mine it. If you had to have the tool out/equipped looking at the ore and hitting it would always result in ore progress and never pull out a hammer for no reason. (if this has been fixed already praise Jesus but if not >.> seriously Eff that noise)
  3. And you would expect wrong. Its been stated multiple times that the band itself doesnt have anything to do with import values or campaign rulesets. ACE stated that the import rules and campaign rulesets for campaigns in a band can be changed, they even stated that some dregs CWs will have imports. That outdated as hell image, that showed a general mock view of the campaign bands, was just to show in general that Outter bands are easier with less rewards and inner bands are harder with better rewards. Inner bands can have import worlds and no import worlds, and so can outer bands. Inner bands can have Standard campaigns and bloodstone (i think thats what its called anyways) rulesets and so can the outer bands. So its up to the players/guilds to decide which bands to join and how to gear appropriately for the start up of the campaigns. Your right a guild going into a no import dregs might very well choose to have more crafters, but a guild going into a no import gods reach or shadows(if shadows is a thing still idk) might want more fighters than crafters, but that doesnt mean those are the only viable strategy for those given circumstances.
  4. Kage Bunshin No Jutsu!! That is all
  5. You mean beta 2 will definitely be in by the 31st?!?! /s
  6. My only suggestion would be make multiple tabs/pages for different sections of the materials to test. ie. -First tab is; login, tutorial vids, character creation/selection, chat stuff, and world choosing. (Things that happen before being "in game") -Second tab would have; World Spawning, Menu Option stuff, Faction stuff, Party/group stuff, inventory, compass stuff, etc (Things a person can check right when they get "in game") -3rd Tab non combat things like; Harvesting, Crafting, Hunger, Skill training stats, etc. (Things players can interact with that are not combat related) -4th Tab; Combat, Archetype Skills, Death, Respawning, Durability, Mob actions, etc (Things the players interact with when in combat) -5th Tab network related stuff; Crashes, Latency, FPS, Errors (<--- Other stuff like those things) and if theres anything you cant fit into those a 6th tab for miscellaneous stuff
  7. Is it sad that i thought it said Raisin for about 2 minutes :\
  8. The main reason i would ditch the game and get a refund if they did the subscription model is because there were 2 main reasons i bought into crowfall 1: Passive Training - Meaning me (sometimes) and my friends who work can play the game at our own paces and still play together (Meaning we cant out level each other and leave people behind or soar through pve content on alts making the overall experience dulled down when we get to do it as a group finally) and 2: Because of the Buy once play forever policy. Unless ace was releaseing an entire games worth of content every 60$ i pay in a monthly subscription then its never worth it in my opinion to spend more than the game is worth. It also isolates me and my friends when work or other issues get in the way of them making those payments and then not being able to play with them any more. I work as a contractor for software and web development firms so there are times when im between jobs (like currently) and since my friends have stable jobs in their web company i tend to get more periods of time when i get to no life a game for a while, but i hate haveing to make multiple alts and such just so when my friends have a chance to play i can play with them. If my friends get caught up in work for 2 months for crunch time then things start to get lax and maybe they even take a week break or so, i expect to be able to hop back on to the game and continue playing with them not have to be like "Yo you wanna spend 15$ to renew your subscription so you can play for maybe a week and maybe a few more times after that before your subscription runs out" because the answer is always gonna be no, and then im left alone with no one to play with. Why pay for 1 month of access to something when most of the time you dont even get to utilize that month. If i only get to play 3 days a week but for 6-8 hours on those 3 days (which is still more time then my friends get to play even when we do sit down and game together). Why am i paying for a "30 Day subscription" if im only gonna use 12 of those days and even then i didnt even use 12 days i used about 84 hours (3 and a half days) of time in a 30 day month. So i payed for 30 days and only used 12 days (or 3 and a half if your doing hours). The average person is gonna look at those numbers and most of the time conclude that its not worth it to pay for a subscription for a game. Most people expect to have a game when they buy a game. Every game ive ever had for my N64, Xbox, PS2, 360, Wii, Etc. I payed for a game and if i wanted to i could find the box with all that stuff in it and play Halo 2 with my cousin or Mario Party 6 (?) with my grandparents or pokemon stadium by myself. I payed for a game i have the game and i can play it. Every game in my steam library (even the 3 that i dont know how they got there) i can have the games uninstalled for years (which is the case for most of my games) and when/if i wanna play it i can hit the download button and play it. If i pay for a game i expect to be able to play it, not to get on one day and see a big red F-U on the screen saying Give me 15$ or you dont get to play your game. You dont go to a restaurant and order food only to get half way done and have the waiters come over take all your food and say "Your times up please pay for your food again to continue eating" I understand that servers need to be payed for somehow, and getting a bunch of money upfront can only take you so far, but unless ACE came up with some new subscription based thing like a only pay for the days you play sorta thing or something. Then i cant see many people willing to stick through it. Something like If i pay for a "30 Day Subscription" and i log in for 3 days only during a week and then can see that i have "27 days" remaining then hell yea id pay for something like that. I didnt play for 3 whole days (obviously) but the fact that i can not play for 2 weeks and come back for a day and have 26 days remaining is hella reassuring and makes me personally feel like im getting my moneys worth and not getting shafted just cause i cant always play a game 30 days a month. But ultimately thats up for ACE to decide and there is alot of background things going on that i cant make suggestions/guesses for. But going back on a business practice/promise is gonna have a lot more repercussions than simply changing game mechanics.
  9. One thing ive been spitballing is to just change what you can train with and without VIP. Make it to where instead of 1 General 1 Archetype you just get 2 Training slots that can be used in any 2 things in different categories (Ie 1 in combat 1 archetype or 1 in combat and 1 in crafting, etc) Then just have VIP Add 2 Additional slots that can ONLY be for archetypes. This way 1 person is not at any point in time stronger than another because for a non VIP you have the option to go 1 combat 1 archetype and with VIP you can go 1 Combat 1 Crafting 2 archetypes and aside from haveing the option to have a larger varity in archetype choices and the ability to craft you still dont scale better combat wise cause you are still limited to only training 1 combat skill at a time The other reason i suggest this is because having 1 general 1 Archetype sucks for people who are new to the game. They are gonna probably have an idea what they want to play but they will need to spend time trying different things out, and it would just suck to spend 2 weeks worth of training on Champion only to find out that Myrmidon fits your playstyle much better and feels easier to controll then. Whereas if they had just 2 skills to train they can put 1 in combat and use the second to train craft/explore untill they find an archetype that they really like, then they can start focusing on that archetype without loseing anything because that Myrm in my above example would still have the benefits of the combat and exploration where if it was the combat champion setup then the new Myrm player is basically missing 2 week of training he is not benefiting from. ----------------------------------------- Also another thing could be to have a 4th/5th band (im not completely sure about how the shadows/dregs merge works so i dont know how to count the bands yet) that is a BETA band where people with VIP can test new archetypes and give feed back and stuff before they are released. The current VIP gives you earlier access to new archetypes (which depending on the amount of time a normal player has to wait might end up being a little unfair in my opinion) and this will fall in line with that it would just be they get access to that archetype in the Beta bands only untill it releases. And this doesnt have to be restricted to just archetype testing for the beta bands but ACE could add any new features or mobs or rulesets they plan to release, to the Beta bands before throwing it out to everyone, that way they can see how it works in practice and get feedback for it. Ultimately how this beta band would interact with passive trainings and stuff probably will take a little more consideration, and since its 4 am and im tired im probably not gonna consider those things yet. but there would be some way to balance beta band passive training weather its a beta training slot that only applies to beta CWs or some other thing that make it to where a person testing an archetype doesnt have to waste passive training to actually train up the test archetype a little.
  10. That "One Person" part though is the reason restricting multiboxing doesnt work. Assuming a user is smart enough to run the accounts on separate machines or virtual machines that broadcasting different IPs, there is no way to determine if Bobby is logged into 5 accounts on his home network or if its Bobby, his son Bob, Daughter Bobbette, Other son Bill, and his Wife Betty are all playing together for family night. No game company is stupid enough to restrict the ability to play games to one account active per MAC address, the most they will do is restrict it to only one active account per IP but there are multiple ways to fudge that to get around those checks. With Key-Cloning involved it would probably be easy to realize if multiple accounts on the same network are receiving the exact same input, but there would have to be some kind of monitoring system in place for that. As long as Key-Cloning isnt involved the only other way i can think of to verify if multiple accounts are being run by one person would be some sort of system to check each time an account on the same network receives input and monitoring to see if the accounts are only receiving inputs one at a time (one person hot swapping between them) or simultaneously but with different inputs (multiple people playing at the same time). And personally i dont know how hard it would be to implement a system like that into the game or how long it would take. An enforcement system would either be to lax and somewhere on the interwebz people will find a way to work around it, or it will be to strict and it only ends up hurting people who are legitimately trying to play together, which would only piss those people off and make them probably quit all together. So in all honesty i doubt there is a true right answer to this conundrum.
  11. The thing is Thyr, the whole point of multiboxing is to not need VIP. Currently there is no benefit VIP gives that cant be solved with extra accounts. So lets say someone wants to decide to have VIP or multiple accounts at launch. It will be 50$ per account and 15$ per month VIP. So the person can either A) Buy 1 Account for 50$ and continually have to pay 15$ per month (Starting cost at month 1 = 65$) to get the 2 bonus archetype passive trainings or B ) Buy 3 accounts for 50$ each and have not only the same number of archetypes training but ALSO have the bonus of being able to train into different general trees if they want (Ie. all 3 accounts can go combat tree, or 1 combat, 1 exploration, 1 crafting. or any other combination). So the starting would cost 150$ but the player will permanently be training 3 archetypes as opposed to having to pay 15$ a month to train 3 archetypes. So in the first month its a 150$ Investment vs a 65$ investment, but to continue getting the benefits of VIP you would need to keep paying. So after 7 Months (15$ * 7 = 105$) it would have cost the player with 1 account and VIP 155$ to maintain training of all 3 archetypes and the price continues to raise until they no longer purchase VIP but the second they stop VIP they lose the ability to train 3 archetypes. However the person that payed for 3 accounts never wanted VIP cause (currently) its not worth it so 7 months later that person has still only payed 150$, and he still has an edge because he could specialize 2 more general trees worth of passive training because the player with VIP only has 4 Passive trainings at once (1 General, 3 VIP) but the player with 3 accounts has 6 Passive trainings at once (3 General, 3 VIP) Even in the extreme cases of 5 or 10 accounts, at some point the value of those multiple accounts ends up cheaper than continuously paying for VIP weather its 1 year down the road or 3 years down the road it ends up being cheaper, and overall you get an increasing number of additional training options for every account you buy over a person that only has VIP. Untill ACE or the community can come up with good incentives that make VIP worth having over more accounts without making VIP pay to win, people who want the most out of their money will opt into having more accounts over continuously paying for VIP
  12. I dont really see an issue with multiboxing and combat. Any group of 3 people that have brains can wipe a multiboxer its not hard. 1: He can only go in one direction and attack one person. So if they break off from being clustered they can pick the person off easily because the multiboxer cant go left and right at the same time. And if that group has a healer they can basically drag the fight on till the multiboxer ultimately dies out or just force a fight that cant be lost/won by either side if the multiboxer also has some healers in his group 2: The multiboxer cant run more than 1 archetype on the different accounts. Why? Cause the differences is the movement and motion of each archetype will never allow any formation to stay in sync while broadcasting keys. The leggo walks faster than any other archetype so if one is in the group it will naturally drift farther and farther away making it useless or forceing the person to have to stop broadcasting to set it in the right place all the time. The differences in the dashes of different classes will also cause this. A confessor and a druid might have similar range on the dash/blink, but the knight only has a rush attack that runs him forward, and the champs double jump can out jump a ranger, etc. 2.5: the second part of the movement isnt just movement skills but attacking in general. Melee archtypes move forward with every attack, ranged archetypes dont. So you cant have a mix of knights and champions with your confessors and rangers. cause again it would move the entire group out of sync. Whats starts looking like this ---O--O--- -O--O--O- Where the "O"s are the players grouping, would end up looking something like this --OO----- ------O ---O---O 3: Skills in the game can also cause forced movement. The Druids Tornado thing that knocks people up into oblivion, the mymidons rush that pushes people back, the rangers bombs that can knock people up/away, etc. Hell because of skills like that a multiboxer also couldnt chase anyone to high ground or keep walls because half his army would just get knocked down/off and take fall damage and be way out of place for the broadcasting or just flat out dead from the fall damage. 4: CC immunity would also make it impossible for a multiboxer to stun lock someone. At some point after like 6-8 seconds of being stunned he can no longer keep a person rooted in one spot to attack them so they could easily just escape by ducking between trees and around rocks, because the multiboxer cant walk straight past a tree, one of his army might get caught so he has to give the tree a wide birth so no one gets stuck. 5: Since there is no soft locks or anything like that, i also dont see how a person can adequately move and target a person at the same time. If a person has 5+ toons staring at me then moving forward to hit me they would just walk the toons into eachother cause each toon looking at me is looking at a different angle so. If all toons are just set to look forward, then he cant aim at me with all of them any ways. ex: M = My Toon, O = Multiboxers Toons ----M--- -O-O-O- If all of them are looking at me, the second he moves forward the left and right one are slowly going to be moving inward towards me while the center one moves straight, then they will collide and just be stuck moving at awkward angles while hugging each others sides. If they are all looking straight then i dont have to worry about being directly attacked by the ones on the side, cause they cant aim attacks at me. The most they could do is use an AoE that might have me in the radius. So my general note from all this is unless a person is running something like nothing but confessors and spamming their ring of fire and running into a group of people every time it comes off cooldown. The fact that they have to aim would make it near impossible to actually do something usefull with most archetypes and the fact that any group with a brain would just split up and pick the confessors off one by one. I only see this being viable with whichever archetype has the most AoE based skills or most AoE damage per skill cast and it will still only work against solos/really small groups and completely uncoordinated people. Also unless a person is completely oblivious they will clearly see a line of toons walking in perfect unison way before the multiboxer can get near them. Cause the multiboxer aint hiding an army of toons behind one tree.
  13. The other reason this idea is completely stupid, is because your assuming that only 1 guild or group is coming after those scrubs in the ward So what your saying is Guild A's small group of 5 should have an impenetrable barrier that causes every nearby guild to swarm the area and only 5 people total can attempt to get in, but not only do they have to attempt to get in they have to channel which means they cant fight. So what you want is Guild A to put up a beacon that attracts guilds B C and D and then since none of them will ever be able to channel because they have to fight off the other guilds, guild A gets to sit in saftey as a war ensues around them. Secondly we still dont completely know how Guilds Vs Sub guilds work. Ift Sub-Guilds exist and keep their names when being part of a guild that could mean a few things. If they are a separate entity whats stopping the sub-guild from just filling those 5 slots and having an entire node area sit there for free and no one else can enter so both guild A's 5 people and their sub guild Guild I's 5 people occupy the bubble and no one else can get in. If the guilds count as one whole entity it could probably be set up to deny other members from joining in, or if they join in it just extends the number of enemies that can get in. But along the lines of the above statement, what about alliences. 2 Completely separate guilds could abuse the shyt outta this feature. Have Guild A send 1 Person to every node in the surrounding area then have guild B send in the 1 opposing player and now you have an entire field of barriers that cant be infiltrated because the max number of enemies are in them. And even if they make it so actual alliances cant do this, nothing is stopping guild A and B breaking their allience just to abuse this system. Heck nothing is stopping a guild from temporarily kicking a sub guild to abuse this system either. The suggestion is bad and serves no real purpose. Safe zones shouldnt exist in a game like this in the first place, cause no matter how they implement them people will abuse them in some way shape or form. After Thought 1: Also if you try and work around my arguments by saying every guild can send 5 people in, then you would also just lead to more abuse cause if guild B C and D can all get 5 in while they fight outside, then Guild As allies/sub guilds can go in and keep the 5 person limit on but effectivly have 2 or 3 groups of 5 people working together to fight 1 to 3 random other group of 5 people that attempt to enter. So theres another strike for the suggestion. After Though 2: Also we dont know what it takes to make or break alliences/sub-guilding. There is nothing stopping a bigger guild from splitting itself into 2 guilds untill the near end of the campaign and becomeing one guild again at the end. Or just seperateing a chunk of the guild to abuse systems like this then reinvite the seperated chunk. Example: If Sugoi's leaders decided they wanna get the best out of this system they could easily make a second guild (we'll call it Kawaii) and work in parallel with their other guild untill the end of a campaign is coming up then merge back into 1 full guild and all get the benefits of a victory together. Ex2: Now if they are on a victory point CW then that changes things a bit but it still ends the same, cause instead of having 2 guilds the entire campaign they would just split off a party of 20ish people and have them make a separate guild to abuse this system then they get the super haul of all the mats while all the enemies end up leaving the area cause Sugoi sat in safety for 8 hours and the other guilds either killed each other off or realized it wasnt worth the effort since they are just abusing the system. After Thought 3: Also we dont know how logging off and logging back in works. Does your body stay in world or does it disappear? When you come back are you where you left off or not? Without these answers whats stopping a group of 5 from setting up the ward then the second enemies enter have 2 people log to instantly boot out 2 enemies then instantly join back right inside the ward where they left off and killing the now reduced group before their friends can channel back into the barrier?
  14. Weither or not the systems are in place to allow Active training, or if its a good idea or not, people are missing a huge point. If all i gotta do is swing my sword at an enemy to gain skill, why would i not go to my EK drop a zone of spawners for non ranged based enemies then put a house with a doorway down and literally afk macro my abilities to attack in the doorway where the mobs are gonna move to, to attack me, and then i just sit there and gain all the skill i need while doing nothing? Most of the people with common sense will say, no eff that you shouldnt gain skills when in the safety of your EK. Then the issue becomes if its not fair or right to gain skill from the safety of the EK why is it fair/right to gain skill easier in easier bands? Should the Dregs have the fastest rate of skill gain cause the overall territory of any side is what ever one guild can hold, while having Gods Reach give barely any because there will roughly be 1/3rd of the population of that world on one side so the overall territory that is owned by any given side is massively bigger than if those sides were split, meaning the deeper in your territory you go the more likely you are to be safe to afk farm? Another thing is how would you level skills that dont have "Active" ways to level. Health Skills, Armor Skills, Generalized Weapon Skills (Ie, Just overall +x% DMG, and +x%Crit Chance, ones not specifically tied to specific weapons like in the combat tree) Mana/Rage/Etc Skills. If your answer is just take damage to level health, then your dumb cause people would just mob farm in a doorway with a healer botting behind them. If you answer for leveling Mana/Rage/Other Skill Resource Skills is to use the resource then why would i not just sit in a corner of my keep and spam abilities constantly. The skills like Health and Armor have no "Active" way of training anyways because you cant actively use them. All you can do is passively let other entities Act on you which isnt you doing anything (ie letting mobs/players beat up on you isnt ACTIVLY doing anything) Active training is only gonna lead to people finding ways to bot skill levels because if they have to do the work they will find a way to do it when they dont need to pay attention. Which will either become EK abuse, or Outer Ring abuse. And since all skills are shared on the account level you cant argue that a person whos Knight main is in the dregs has no chance of afk farming skill levels cause they can just make a separate Knight for the EK/Gods Reach and free farm that way. Then they are useing a safe character to level their character who is in a more dangerous zone. Also another note i just realized as i wrote my last paragraph. What about people who dont wanna play the same exact Archetype on every CW. They are getting boned because now their knight in the dregs is no longer gaining skills cause they are on their confessor in another dregs CW and their leggo in a infected CW is also just sitting there gaining nothing. Edit 1: Also another point, there are gonna be wild animals and such in the game so are you telling ACE to also implement a systems that first tracks that your hitting something to gain skill but then also has to track if that entity is worth skill gain? Why would someone grind sword skill on zombies who fight back when they can find horses or deer or something and swing at them without having to fight back. Should Stronger Mobs give more skill gain? If so that a whole new system ACE has to put in, which costs time, money, and resources they may or may not have