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So now that we have factions in the playtest, I have been taking a closer look at which gods and goddesses are aligned with what faction, and it occurs to me that it would seem to make more sense if Kane and Cybele were to switch places? Kane fitting more into the Order faction, and Cybele more into Chaos.

 

Am I wrong here or do you think this makes sense?

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I don't think it fits with the Kane/Arkon hatred to have them on the same side. I think Kane is on Chaos not because he wants chaos, but because his actions have unwillingly brought chaos (leading to the death of Gaea, betraying Arkon, killing D'Orion the Skyhunter). 

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You have to keep in mind in Crowfall the whole Order-Balance-Chaos trinity doesn't carry the same exact connotation as in other fantasy worlds. In Crowfall faction allegiance has more to do with how each side views the Hunger and intends to deal with it. Chaos's plan is to sacrifice some worlds to the Hunger in order to appease it and keep it at bay, they don't think it can be completely destroyed. Order on the other hand has no desire for any compromise and fights to protect every world against the Hunger (despite apparently having no clue how to eradicate the Hunger), and Balance is basically just trying to keep both forces in check to prevent one from completely dominating (Balance also appears to be the weakest faction in theory, since two of their gods are dead). 

 

So it really makes no sense for Cybele to join Chaos, since her domains are life, spring and love. Kane I suppose could probably go either way, but his backstory is more morally ambiguous and grey, full of compromises and loss. So Chaos is a good fit. 

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I definitely think there is sufficient basis for Cybele to be under Chaos - young love is fickle, her appearance not being agreed upon, being mercurial, a creature of the moment, flighty, temperamental, never keeps promises etc...you are right that Kane can fit into either Chaos or Order, but I have to disgree regarding Cybele; there is no question there are very good reasons for her to fall under Chaos, and far less for her to be part of Order. Far more than Kane in my opinion.

 

You have to keep in mind in Crowfall the whole Order-Balance-Chaos trinity doesn't carry the same exact connotation as in other fantasy worlds. In Crowfall faction allegiance has more to do with how each side views the Hunger and intends to deal with it. Chaos's plan is to sacrifice some worlds to the Hunger in order to appease it and keep it at bay, they don't think it can be completely destroyed. Order on the other hand has no desire for any compromise and fights to protect every world against the Hunger (despite apparently having no clue how to eradicate the Hunger), and Balance is basically just trying to keep both forces in check to prevent one from completely dominating (Balance also appears to be the weakest faction in theory, since two of their gods are dead). 

 

So it really makes no sense for Cybele to join Chaos, since her domains are life, spring and love. Kane I suppose could probably go either way, but his backstory is more morally ambiguous and grey, full of compromises and loss. So Chaos is a good fit. 

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 it would seem to make more sense if Kane and Cybele were to switch places?

 

No, because

 

You have to keep in mind in Crowfall the whole Order-Balance-Chaos trinity doesn't carry the same exact connotation as in other fantasy worlds. In Crowfall faction allegiance has more to do with how each side views the Hunger and intends to deal with it.

 

That's exactely the point. Todd already stated so, so it's official. Don't misunderstand chaos for chaotic. Chaos is simply the name of the faction that supports the hunger, just like Rikutatis said.

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That's exactely the point. Todd already stated so, so it's official. Don't misunderstand chaos for chaotic. Chaos is simply the name of the faction that supports the hunger, just like Rikutatis said.

 

They don't "support" the hunger, they just kinda figure if you feed it enough it may get full.

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They don't "support" the hunger, they just kinda figure if you feed it enough it may get full.

 

Right. xD And Order don't fight the hunger, they just kinda figure if you don't feed it, it may die. :)

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The issue here is that it's less order vs chaos than it is preservation vs sacrifice. It's also why the angry warlike goddess everyone fears is order, as is the "god" who's entire existence is to repeatedly die in battle for all eternity. While Kane, who's in mourning and probably very "f it all" and the goddess of the very orderly element of death's inevitability are "chaos". It's more poor naming conventions than the factions themselves being grouped poorly. The names are terrible but the lore behind those two factions is great. Balance kind of confuses me since it's two very hands off gods and two dead ones but the example campaign objectives talked about not letting either other faction gain a major lead. while that's a cool game play idea they lore they made for it doesn't fit.

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