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Buying Your Way To Legendaries

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From what I've read, you can buy VIP status with real money, and then trade it to players in game for in game currency? Is that true? If that is true, then what's stopping someone from buying thousands of dollars of VIP packages and selling them in-game for currency, and then just buying all of the best gear? If there's nothing stopping people from doing that, how does that not make this game pay to win?

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11 minutes ago, ntgeranis said:

From what I've read, you can buy VIP status with real money, and then trade it to players in game for in game currency? Is that true? If that is true, then what's stopping someone from buying thousands of dollars of VIP packages and selling them in-game for currency, and then just buying all of the best gear? If there's nothing stopping people from doing that, how does that not make this game pay to win?

I think they try to justify this by having less emphasis on vertical gear progression and shallow power curves.  It remains to be seen how p2w this will actually end up being. 

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Well, the real answer is this isn't WoW.

Lets just assume you are a whale (someone with lots of money to burn). We haven't seen, nor heard about any sort of in-game mail. That means potentially you'd have to do this trade in-person and in-game. 

Now, because the flow of materials from a campaign world to and from the Eternal Battlegrounds (arguably the only safe place you can go to perform a trade) is strictly regulated to the beginning and end of a campaign, your ability to trade when you likely most need it (the middle or just before the ending!) is basically non-existent. 

This effectively means you'd need to go into a campaign world, convert your VIP into an in-game item (supposedly) and trust that the person across from you isn't going to murder you and take your poorly made socks (or have his buddies clued in your carrying it around and come hunt you down).

We don't know the specifics of how VIP is converted or traded in Crowfall, but if its forced to be done in-game (like it should be), that means most VIP trading will take place in the safest possible location; the Eternal Battlegrounds. That means minimal impact on the game world. Anyone bringing in vast amounts of goods and materials is either going to consume them immediately and gain a temporary first-mover advantage, or lose them when someone ganks him the moment he enters into a world and tries to withdraw them.

Basically, at this point, I can think of a dozen ways they can limit the impact of a whale buying his way to a campaign victory. We don't know the details though to properly address your concern. 

If someone wants to try to buy his way to a victory in a campaign though, I'm hugely for this. The more money ACE gets, the better Crowfall becomes. Winning is transient. You've spent real life cash for a single victory. I'm okay with that.

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The player will also have to play good, with sick gear, to make a huge difference I imagine..

And the person would have spend so much money that their entire guild would be well geared, to it make an impact on a campaign.

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VIP would have to be a LOT more attractive for someone to trade a legendary piece for VIP. 

I think that is the main hurdle, at least at this time.

Even if the value of VIP is increased, I think the pool of people willing to part with a legendary item for the VIP will still be small, unless they do a 180 and VIP becomes VERY attractive.

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What is to ever say in any game that a Whale couldn't pay an individual or guild outside of game cycle to create gear for him?  As long as players can trade items there is always a way to PtW...    the counter to that is the guild getting paid not having that gear themselves to win the game itself.   The vending system will allow permissions and thus allow me to chose who to sell to...   I would prefer all item transfers to go through a thrall vendor as opposed to player direct trades as trade windows are a high source for potential grifting and duping.  With only vendors, or chests as the transfer mechanism between players it also gives more security.   Said whale and guild could build trust one transaction at a time, there is no stopping the power of real currency as a motivator other than with our guild needs, integrity and sportsmanship.   What would you do if offered $1000 through paypal to create 5 sets of blue armor and weapons and you have the mats on hand, the agreement of the guild and a vendor in game to pass the goods.  I am not saying it is right but I am saying it can easily be done.

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50 minutes ago, Frykka said:

What is to ever say in any game that a Whale couldn't pay an individual or guild outside of game cycle to create gear for him?  As long as players can trade items there is always a way to PtW...    the counter to that is the guild getting paid not having that gear themselves to win the game itself.   The vending system will allow permissions and thus allow me to chose who to sell to...   I would prefer all item transfers to go through a thrall vendor as opposed to player direct trades as trade windows are a high source for potential grifting and duping.  The security of vendors, or chests as the transfer mechanism between players also gives more security.   Said whale and guild could build trust one transaction at a time, there is no stopping the power of real currency as a motivator other than with our integrity and sportsmanship.   What would you do if offered $1000 through paypal to create 5 sets of blue armor and weapons and you have the mats on hand, the agreement of the guild and a vendor in game to pass the goods.  I am not saying it is right but I am saying it can easily be done. 

I am already thinking of creating a Virtual Etsy site if this can become a thing!! 

 

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Just for the record I do not support this thing...  until a whale actually contacts me and sends hookers and beer to my hotel room.

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2 hours ago, Frykka said:

Just for the record I do not support this thing...  until a whale actually contacts me and sends hookers and beer to my hotel room.

How many hookers and what kind of beer?

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