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    Horrorshow got a reaction from JamesGoblin in A Comparison Of Crowfall And Camelot Unchained   
    Coleman and Koster versus.... Mark Jacobs.
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    Horrorshow got a reaction from Urahara in How much are you invested in this game?   
    Crowfall or bust. If this doesn't pan out I'm done with the genre.
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    Horrorshow reacted to Caenth in How much are you invested in this game?   
    Last chance at playing a mmo for me. I basically gave up on the genre and my hope is that Crowfall can help restore it. Thus my large pledge and being so active in the community. Also founded a Crowfall only guild.I want this game to succeed! 
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    Horrorshow got a reaction from Maxima in General Thievery Request   
    Spellcaster archetype detected.
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    Horrorshow got a reaction from Navystylz in Flying   
    Flying was fun in SB PvP, and would be just as fun in CF:
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwO4HInFOB0
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    Horrorshow reacted to Jihan in a concern   
    I don't remember a single dev post saying "If Bahamutkaiser pays us $130 we're gonna make damn sure he gets his flying murderfairy."
     
    If you backed the game on the assumption that you personally would get everything you wanted in the game design, then you need to go back and review the terms of the kickstarter.
     
    "Answering to the community" is an ever-so-slightly different commitment from "Giving every individual special snowflake their personal must-have feature."
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    Horrorshow reacted to halethrain in Will we be able to run 2 copies of crowfall on 1 pc?   
    1. Here are 5 scenarios where restricting based on an IP address would not be effective:
    a) Family units made up of more than a single parent and child. 
    b.) University dormitories
    c) Quadplexes, or similarly multi-unit houses that share internet
    d) Corporate networks (yes, some people play games at work - hopefully when they're not actually on the clock)
    e) People with multiple roommates
     
    2. VPNs cost as little as $60 a year (if you don't want lag) and easily circumvent IP restrictions.
     
    3. Putting in a ticket to bypass IP restrictions would allow anyone to circumvent the rule by simply stating they fit into any of the above categories, making it a fruitless venture
     
    4. Forcing your legitimate customers, adhering to your TOS to have to ask permission to bypass a security filter is draconian, and falls into the same pitfalls as DRM.
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    Horrorshow reacted to Sinij in Community and community volunteers   
    Very thoughtful post and spot-on.
     
    I would also like to expand and add to one of your final points. It is possible that ACE is doing what post-primary politicians are known to do, walking back on many carefully-worded promises made during primaries to cater to the moderate center in the general elections. In case of MMOs, the moderate center would be gonzos that are not completely averse to some tame PvP. Basically, WoW battlegrounds crowd. Unfortunately, that crowd won't make it in SB-like environment.
     
    It doesn't make sense to have a hardcore politics-driven PvP MMO with feel-good forums, but what if "hardcore PvP MMO" is no longer their final destination? What if forums perfectly match what they intend for the game, but community they got (via promises they made early in the process) is not?
     
    What if in-game "politics" are limited from selecting Red vs. Blue on some menu and "meaningful conflict" is clicking "Join next Arathi Basin match" button?
     
    Many here assumed that this ride's final station is SB2, devs assured that the final station won't be WoW-Clone. There are a lot of stations in-between these,
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    Horrorshow got a reaction from Kraahk in Community and community volunteers   
    The problem as I see it: as far as I'm aware most of us who post on these forums are posting in character essentially. No one knows that MrKiller is actually a shoe clerk, or FluffySnuggles is a VP at Chevron. So many/most of the comments made on these forums are game related, and a lot of the heated discussions are politics (in game) basically.

    Just to make sure I understand, here's a summary of various moderator statements:

    -Crowfall is a “throne war simulator”. War. Simulator. Little virtual people fighting each other in a virtual world.
    -"Don’t start nothing, won’t be nothing.”
    -It’s not Happy Time at Barney’s Playhouse
    -it’s not okay to be a jerk to anyone
    -You can argue a point, even heatedly, without getting personal
    -Now let’s get out there and pretend to kill each other – and have fun doing it.
    -I have ZERO tolerance for ‘hate speech’: [...] or threats of violence. That’s an instant ban.
    -Things are going to get hot. Sides will be chosen and lines will be drawn. That’s what keeps it exciting.
    -Treat people with respect, don't be an asshat
    -Dicussion will get heated as this game centers around destroying other peoples stuff and emotions will run high


    To paraphrase these: This is a war simulator! Hoorah! Don't cause conflicts though or there'll be hurt feelings! This isn't a gonzo game though. Just don't be mean to anyone or hurt anyone's feelings. You can argue, but don't be mean. Don't make personal statements that would trigger someone. Get out there and kill your enemies, and have fun! But don't threaten violence. The game will be exciting because of the conflicts between people. Work hard to not have conflicts with others, don't be a meanie. People will get mad because of the conflicts! But try not to cause conflicts that imply anything negative about the other player, or any self-identified social constructs he or she might hold dear.

    A lot of folks (I think mistakenly) felt this would allow them to have some old-school UO/SB/etc fun, which always included out of game forum verbal sparring, whether at a third-party site, guild forums, etc. And half of the messages ACE is putting out imply that still (conflicts, war simulator, get out there and 'pretend' to kill each other (and seriously did that need to be defined? We grasp this is a game)). But the other half is basically 'don't hurt anyone else's feelings, don't threaten violence (without specifying specifically you mean in the game I guess), don't be a jerk (kind of a wide target there), etc.

    The mixed messages are the problem. You can keep repeating the whole 'No hate speech!' thing, but seriously a lot of warnings/suspensions/etc have not been for what any normal person would consider hate speech. So it would be great if ACE could let us know how granular 'hate speech' is going to be applied. If calling someone an idiot is hate speech, a phrase that actually means something REAL to people who are on the recieving end in the REAL WORLD, I think a lot of folks made a mistake when they pledged.
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    Horrorshow got a reaction from Lastgirl in Community and community volunteers   
    The problem as I see it: as far as I'm aware most of us who post on these forums are posting in character essentially. No one knows that MrKiller is actually a shoe clerk, or FluffySnuggles is a VP at Chevron. So many/most of the comments made on these forums are game related, and a lot of the heated discussions are politics (in game) basically.

    Just to make sure I understand, here's a summary of various moderator statements:

    -Crowfall is a “throne war simulator”. War. Simulator. Little virtual people fighting each other in a virtual world.
    -"Don’t start nothing, won’t be nothing.”
    -It’s not Happy Time at Barney’s Playhouse
    -it’s not okay to be a jerk to anyone
    -You can argue a point, even heatedly, without getting personal
    -Now let’s get out there and pretend to kill each other – and have fun doing it.
    -I have ZERO tolerance for ‘hate speech’: [...] or threats of violence. That’s an instant ban.
    -Things are going to get hot. Sides will be chosen and lines will be drawn. That’s what keeps it exciting.
    -Treat people with respect, don't be an asshat
    -Dicussion will get heated as this game centers around destroying other peoples stuff and emotions will run high


    To paraphrase these: This is a war simulator! Hoorah! Don't cause conflicts though or there'll be hurt feelings! This isn't a gonzo game though. Just don't be mean to anyone or hurt anyone's feelings. You can argue, but don't be mean. Don't make personal statements that would trigger someone. Get out there and kill your enemies, and have fun! But don't threaten violence. The game will be exciting because of the conflicts between people. Work hard to not have conflicts with others, don't be a meanie. People will get mad because of the conflicts! But try not to cause conflicts that imply anything negative about the other player, or any self-identified social constructs he or she might hold dear.

    A lot of folks (I think mistakenly) felt this would allow them to have some old-school UO/SB/etc fun, which always included out of game forum verbal sparring, whether at a third-party site, guild forums, etc. And half of the messages ACE is putting out imply that still (conflicts, war simulator, get out there and 'pretend' to kill each other (and seriously did that need to be defined? We grasp this is a game)). But the other half is basically 'don't hurt anyone else's feelings, don't threaten violence (without specifying specifically you mean in the game I guess), don't be a jerk (kind of a wide target there), etc.

    The mixed messages are the problem. You can keep repeating the whole 'No hate speech!' thing, but seriously a lot of warnings/suspensions/etc have not been for what any normal person would consider hate speech. So it would be great if ACE could let us know how granular 'hate speech' is going to be applied. If calling someone an idiot is hate speech, a phrase that actually means something REAL to people who are on the recieving end in the REAL WORLD, I think a lot of folks made a mistake when they pledged.
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    Horrorshow got a reaction from primal in Community and community volunteers   
    The problem as I see it: as far as I'm aware most of us who post on these forums are posting in character essentially. No one knows that MrKiller is actually a shoe clerk, or FluffySnuggles is a VP at Chevron. So many/most of the comments made on these forums are game related, and a lot of the heated discussions are politics (in game) basically.

    Just to make sure I understand, here's a summary of various moderator statements:

    -Crowfall is a “throne war simulator”. War. Simulator. Little virtual people fighting each other in a virtual world.
    -"Don’t start nothing, won’t be nothing.”
    -It’s not Happy Time at Barney’s Playhouse
    -it’s not okay to be a jerk to anyone
    -You can argue a point, even heatedly, without getting personal
    -Now let’s get out there and pretend to kill each other – and have fun doing it.
    -I have ZERO tolerance for ‘hate speech’: [...] or threats of violence. That’s an instant ban.
    -Things are going to get hot. Sides will be chosen and lines will be drawn. That’s what keeps it exciting.
    -Treat people with respect, don't be an asshat
    -Dicussion will get heated as this game centers around destroying other peoples stuff and emotions will run high


    To paraphrase these: This is a war simulator! Hoorah! Don't cause conflicts though or there'll be hurt feelings! This isn't a gonzo game though. Just don't be mean to anyone or hurt anyone's feelings. You can argue, but don't be mean. Don't make personal statements that would trigger someone. Get out there and kill your enemies, and have fun! But don't threaten violence. The game will be exciting because of the conflicts between people. Work hard to not have conflicts with others, don't be a meanie. People will get mad because of the conflicts! But try not to cause conflicts that imply anything negative about the other player, or any self-identified social constructs he or she might hold dear.

    A lot of folks (I think mistakenly) felt this would allow them to have some old-school UO/SB/etc fun, which always included out of game forum verbal sparring, whether at a third-party site, guild forums, etc. And half of the messages ACE is putting out imply that still (conflicts, war simulator, get out there and 'pretend' to kill each other (and seriously did that need to be defined? We grasp this is a game)). But the other half is basically 'don't hurt anyone else's feelings, don't threaten violence (without specifying specifically you mean in the game I guess), don't be a jerk (kind of a wide target there), etc.

    The mixed messages are the problem. You can keep repeating the whole 'No hate speech!' thing, but seriously a lot of warnings/suspensions/etc have not been for what any normal person would consider hate speech. So it would be great if ACE could let us know how granular 'hate speech' is going to be applied. If calling someone an idiot is hate speech, a phrase that actually means something REAL to people who are on the recieving end in the REAL WORLD, I think a lot of folks made a mistake when they pledged.
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    Horrorshow got a reaction from mal in Community and community volunteers   
    I've seen Married with Children.
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    Horrorshow got a reaction from mal in Community and community volunteers   
    The problem as I see it: as far as I'm aware most of us who post on these forums are posting in character essentially. No one knows that MrKiller is actually a shoe clerk, or FluffySnuggles is a VP at Chevron. So many/most of the comments made on these forums are game related, and a lot of the heated discussions are politics (in game) basically.

    Just to make sure I understand, here's a summary of various moderator statements:

    -Crowfall is a “throne war simulator”. War. Simulator. Little virtual people fighting each other in a virtual world.
    -"Don’t start nothing, won’t be nothing.”
    -It’s not Happy Time at Barney’s Playhouse
    -it’s not okay to be a jerk to anyone
    -You can argue a point, even heatedly, without getting personal
    -Now let’s get out there and pretend to kill each other – and have fun doing it.
    -I have ZERO tolerance for ‘hate speech’: [...] or threats of violence. That’s an instant ban.
    -Things are going to get hot. Sides will be chosen and lines will be drawn. That’s what keeps it exciting.
    -Treat people with respect, don't be an asshat
    -Dicussion will get heated as this game centers around destroying other peoples stuff and emotions will run high


    To paraphrase these: This is a war simulator! Hoorah! Don't cause conflicts though or there'll be hurt feelings! This isn't a gonzo game though. Just don't be mean to anyone or hurt anyone's feelings. You can argue, but don't be mean. Don't make personal statements that would trigger someone. Get out there and kill your enemies, and have fun! But don't threaten violence. The game will be exciting because of the conflicts between people. Work hard to not have conflicts with others, don't be a meanie. People will get mad because of the conflicts! But try not to cause conflicts that imply anything negative about the other player, or any self-identified social constructs he or she might hold dear.

    A lot of folks (I think mistakenly) felt this would allow them to have some old-school UO/SB/etc fun, which always included out of game forum verbal sparring, whether at a third-party site, guild forums, etc. And half of the messages ACE is putting out imply that still (conflicts, war simulator, get out there and 'pretend' to kill each other (and seriously did that need to be defined? We grasp this is a game)). But the other half is basically 'don't hurt anyone else's feelings, don't threaten violence (without specifying specifically you mean in the game I guess), don't be a jerk (kind of a wide target there), etc.

    The mixed messages are the problem. You can keep repeating the whole 'No hate speech!' thing, but seriously a lot of warnings/suspensions/etc have not been for what any normal person would consider hate speech. So it would be great if ACE could let us know how granular 'hate speech' is going to be applied. If calling someone an idiot is hate speech, a phrase that actually means something REAL to people who are on the recieving end in the REAL WORLD, I think a lot of folks made a mistake when they pledged.
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    Horrorshow got a reaction from Sinij in Community and community volunteers   
    The problem as I see it: as far as I'm aware most of us who post on these forums are posting in character essentially. No one knows that MrKiller is actually a shoe clerk, or FluffySnuggles is a VP at Chevron. So many/most of the comments made on these forums are game related, and a lot of the heated discussions are politics (in game) basically.

    Just to make sure I understand, here's a summary of various moderator statements:

    -Crowfall is a “throne war simulator”. War. Simulator. Little virtual people fighting each other in a virtual world.
    -"Don’t start nothing, won’t be nothing.”
    -It’s not Happy Time at Barney’s Playhouse
    -it’s not okay to be a jerk to anyone
    -You can argue a point, even heatedly, without getting personal
    -Now let’s get out there and pretend to kill each other – and have fun doing it.
    -I have ZERO tolerance for ‘hate speech’: [...] or threats of violence. That’s an instant ban.
    -Things are going to get hot. Sides will be chosen and lines will be drawn. That’s what keeps it exciting.
    -Treat people with respect, don't be an asshat
    -Dicussion will get heated as this game centers around destroying other peoples stuff and emotions will run high


    To paraphrase these: This is a war simulator! Hoorah! Don't cause conflicts though or there'll be hurt feelings! This isn't a gonzo game though. Just don't be mean to anyone or hurt anyone's feelings. You can argue, but don't be mean. Don't make personal statements that would trigger someone. Get out there and kill your enemies, and have fun! But don't threaten violence. The game will be exciting because of the conflicts between people. Work hard to not have conflicts with others, don't be a meanie. People will get mad because of the conflicts! But try not to cause conflicts that imply anything negative about the other player, or any self-identified social constructs he or she might hold dear.

    A lot of folks (I think mistakenly) felt this would allow them to have some old-school UO/SB/etc fun, which always included out of game forum verbal sparring, whether at a third-party site, guild forums, etc. And half of the messages ACE is putting out imply that still (conflicts, war simulator, get out there and 'pretend' to kill each other (and seriously did that need to be defined? We grasp this is a game)). But the other half is basically 'don't hurt anyone else's feelings, don't threaten violence (without specifying specifically you mean in the game I guess), don't be a jerk (kind of a wide target there), etc.

    The mixed messages are the problem. You can keep repeating the whole 'No hate speech!' thing, but seriously a lot of warnings/suspensions/etc have not been for what any normal person would consider hate speech. So it would be great if ACE could let us know how granular 'hate speech' is going to be applied. If calling someone an idiot is hate speech, a phrase that actually means something REAL to people who are on the recieving end in the REAL WORLD, I think a lot of folks made a mistake when they pledged.
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    Horrorshow got a reaction from ellie in Community and community volunteers   
    The problem as I see it: as far as I'm aware most of us who post on these forums are posting in character essentially. No one knows that MrKiller is actually a shoe clerk, or FluffySnuggles is a VP at Chevron. So many/most of the comments made on these forums are game related, and a lot of the heated discussions are politics (in game) basically.

    Just to make sure I understand, here's a summary of various moderator statements:

    -Crowfall is a “throne war simulator”. War. Simulator. Little virtual people fighting each other in a virtual world.
    -"Don’t start nothing, won’t be nothing.”
    -It’s not Happy Time at Barney’s Playhouse
    -it’s not okay to be a jerk to anyone
    -You can argue a point, even heatedly, without getting personal
    -Now let’s get out there and pretend to kill each other – and have fun doing it.
    -I have ZERO tolerance for ‘hate speech’: [...] or threats of violence. That’s an instant ban.
    -Things are going to get hot. Sides will be chosen and lines will be drawn. That’s what keeps it exciting.
    -Treat people with respect, don't be an asshat
    -Dicussion will get heated as this game centers around destroying other peoples stuff and emotions will run high


    To paraphrase these: This is a war simulator! Hoorah! Don't cause conflicts though or there'll be hurt feelings! This isn't a gonzo game though. Just don't be mean to anyone or hurt anyone's feelings. You can argue, but don't be mean. Don't make personal statements that would trigger someone. Get out there and kill your enemies, and have fun! But don't threaten violence. The game will be exciting because of the conflicts between people. Work hard to not have conflicts with others, don't be a meanie. People will get mad because of the conflicts! But try not to cause conflicts that imply anything negative about the other player, or any self-identified social constructs he or she might hold dear.

    A lot of folks (I think mistakenly) felt this would allow them to have some old-school UO/SB/etc fun, which always included out of game forum verbal sparring, whether at a third-party site, guild forums, etc. And half of the messages ACE is putting out imply that still (conflicts, war simulator, get out there and 'pretend' to kill each other (and seriously did that need to be defined? We grasp this is a game)). But the other half is basically 'don't hurt anyone else's feelings, don't threaten violence (without specifying specifically you mean in the game I guess), don't be a jerk (kind of a wide target there), etc.

    The mixed messages are the problem. You can keep repeating the whole 'No hate speech!' thing, but seriously a lot of warnings/suspensions/etc have not been for what any normal person would consider hate speech. So it would be great if ACE could let us know how granular 'hate speech' is going to be applied. If calling someone an idiot is hate speech, a phrase that actually means something REAL to people who are on the recieving end in the REAL WORLD, I think a lot of folks made a mistake when they pledged.
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    Horrorshow reacted to primal in Community and community volunteers   
    The fact remains that these two now stomp around smug as poorly made socks today over what the outcome was. Doomgrin has come out of the woodwork since his reappearance a few days ago after having his interest "peaked" (it's piqued, you damn fool) by doc and has gone from 50 posts to 200+ which is...odd.
     
    I still have a bad taste in my mouth that "new" people can come into our community and oust long established leaders and contributors, mod or not, as a political move by just reporting them. Obviously having a mod from QFT lit a fire in their butt-hurt pants and they did what they could...and it worked. What a precedence to set.
     
    When there is change in the way the community is governed or led, there is a change in the community. When there is a change in the community, there's a change in the game. Right now I'm pretty bewildered, and have gone from "The devs understand the community they enticed to come over and back their project from ground zero" to a shift in the opposite direction. They knew what they were bringing in by posting "play 2 crush" and other pvp write ups just to garner the funds they needed from gamers they know have been looking for an SB-esque experience. You could see it in the first few weeks and there was a clear separation; we understood where the line was drawn for forumbane/forumfall, and it was fine moving forward.
     
    It has slowly changed from that mentality since the first month. I figured they had to put on a PC/PG-13 front because of the crowd of the unknowing kickstarter brought us. They were needed for the game we wanted created but I really thought the devs still had a grip on where the roots of the community lie. The SB subforum was created to keep the politicking and harshness contained with the stipulation it would be less severely moderated compared to something like GC where new players regularly go.
     
    Am I bitter about doc? You bet. The worst part about this whole thing is the uneasy feeling I've gotten about the team from it. Maybe I've just blinded myself from what this was from the beginning, like they said this game isn't for everyone. I'm definitely going to sit back and see how this pans out and let it all sink in over the next few days. I don't want to do something rash, but my gut feeling is telling me my thoughts are true.
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    Horrorshow reacted to Sinij in Community and community volunteers   
    I think your unstated goals are contradictory. You are trying to make, for lack of better example, a PG porno. The game is not going to be happy-go-lucky sunshine and lollipops experience, yet you are trying to make forums into this. Plus you are also threatening people with in-game bans for not going along with your bad acid trip. Bad form all-around.
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    Horrorshow reacted to primal in RIP Doc Gonzo   
    Some people feel like ACE crusaders coming in here looking at the micro problem, when we're looking at the macro implications. Losing doc was terrible and what caused this discussion, yes. But you few are blind if you don't see this as a change in tide. All you EVE, Wow, whatever players don't understand game politics at all. EVE was tame hogwash. We go from Tully to a EVE CM with what seems like no understanding of this type of community and slams doc for an obvious political attack against QFT.
     
    This is a rivalry that caused this, not docs posting. Pann/whoever got had by a scrub rivalry from over a decade ago and they're laughing their asses off right now. But more than having a CM or new rules that doesn't understand the roots of their community, the way this forum and game is governed from here on out has changed. This won't be Shadowbane or even UO or those nostalgic rivalries you guys remember having no matter how much they advertise it as such at this point. Welcome to the land of eggshells.
     
    When you guys defending ACE notice a change when we give up on this, I want you too look back at the initial postings of what this game was supposed to be...and remember what it could of been. I slept on it, and I feel like my predictions are right. Call me toxic or not at this point.
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    Horrorshow reacted to surBear in RIP Doc Gonzo   
    Damn.  Ok, here goes.
     
    I am a very laid back kind of guy.  I have owned my own business with many employees. I have been a gl, ic and many other positions in games.  I have admin'd forums, been a mod on several forums and a member of many many more.  In the forum I admin'd, I was given the nickname WoM, for Wise ole Man.
     
    99.9% of the time, I post only when I think of something funny to say.  Even when I make a serious post, I put a twist of humor in it.
     
    The recent events concerning Doc has raised my ire.  Injustice, unfairness, little green plastic soldiers tactics or attacks on free speech always makes me draw my sword.
     
    In this case, we have MaT who is notorious for baiting, exaggerating and doing anything he can to start a fight.  Not anything anyone from SB is unfamiliar with.  Doesnt even bother us.  If he didnt act like an asshat we would think that someone stole his name.
     
    We also have Doomgrin.  Someone who claims to have stolen someone elses name. Someone who has no history on these forums, but yet has managed to bring down a community icon.
     
    And there is left....poor Doc.  Fair, witty, wise, humorous....etc..etc..ad nauseum.
     
     
    Had I been modding that thread, I would have locked it.  Sent a pm to MaT to cool it down a notch.  Ignored the email from Doomgrin.  Sent a pm to Doc congratulating him on his ability to keep his cool.
     
    No, I am not a personal friend of Doc.  I have been reading his posts for over a decade.  As far as in game, QFT did destroy one of my cities once. (then they gave it back)  But that is all the contact I have had.
     
    This whole situation troubles me deeply.  Because Doc lost his Modship?  No, he will get over it.  What bothers me is the circumstances leading up to it.  It reeks. It reeks of unfairness.  It reeks of possible future nightmares. It reeks of a loss of confidence in our devs.  If they take the easy way out in this situation instead of researching the history of the participants, what is to protect us once the game is open?  Will my guild be banned because some whiny ass got his feeling of self righteousness bruised?  Will the ability to hit the report button or send an email count more ingame than the ability to control your character?  
     
    This is a war game.  War is a form of politics.  Politics from previous games WILL carry over into this game.  MaTs posts in that thread are almost word for word the same posts he was making 10 years ago.  I was laughing while reading that thread.   It was like being on a pg rated Ubi thread. And they were rehashing the same old poorly made socks that has been rehashed ten thousand times.  And ten thousand and one times and it still boils down to he said, she said.
     
    tl:dr(dont really know what this means)
     
    Actions were taken on this situation that forebode dire future possibilities.  Those actions were wrong, in more ways than one. I fear this game may not become what I thought it could be.  Sorry, JTodd. I love you man, but this is a serious situation.
     
     
     
    ps.  If this rambles some, My apologies, I like my late night brandy.
  20. Like
    Horrorshow reacted to primal in RIP Doc Gonzo   
    This. This is seriously the perfect post to end this on (this isn't the end). What I bolded though needs to be put in perspective, because GW said a ban on the forums is a ban in game. This stifles any sort of politics or poorly made socks talking in a hardcore pvp game they're trying to represent building. They've even posted about the memories you make in games like these last a life time, and you know what 90% of that isn't the actual pvp it's the situation you created around it from the emergent gameplay you brought. Now I wonder if this will ever reach that level, because it's shifting to where players will be too scared of being banned for forumfalling or in-game rivalries. If I piss someone off, I fully expect to be reported to hell now with my account in the balance knowing how rash decisions can be made.
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    Horrorshow reacted to Agelmar in RIP Doc Gonzo   
    omg modbaiting!
     
    Being a mod sucks.  Especially in a community like this where there is a great history of political animosity. arguments, and unique humor.  I can't tell you how many times I've self censored my posts to avoid creating a situation where some complaints could be made against me.  It does take some fun out of being part of the community, but working for fair moderating practices for the community is also important.
     
    Doc will be missed but I'm sure we will see him around (I hope) as a member of this community.  I want to leave this thread open and have no plans to close it as long as you animals keep it civil.
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    Horrorshow reacted to buc0727 in A Grain Of Salt   
    The video ignored one very important dynamic, one that is very applicable to Crowfall: someone has to front the money for building a game.
     
    Back in the "glory days" of the monthly subscription (any SBers want to weigh in on the polish and quality of that purcahse+subscription game?), it was the publisher who fronted the money.  This gave them a lot of power over the development of the game.  That also wasn't always a good thing for the players, the community, and/or the long-term viability of the game (think UO:Trammel and SWG:NGE).
     
    Crowdfunding is a way of raising that funding in a "more democratic" manner.  If you look at Crowfall's Kickstarter tier names you'll notice groups of base names:
     
    $5 - Supporter
    $30-$40 - Contributor
    $60 - Backer
    $100+ - Patron
     
    Every tier that costs more than a "standard game" is labeled as being a "Patron".  There are several possible meanings to choose from for "patron", but the one that I think most closely fits is: giving support, encouragement, privilege, or financial aid on another, especially in the context of the arts.[1, paraphrased]
     
    Wikipedia has this to say about patronage[1]:
     
    It is with this context that I say I am an Amber Patron.  I consider every dollar beyond the $60 "typical game price" to be a donation to the cause.  Yes, I know that there are the years of VIP to consider, but at this point I don't even know if I'll play Crowfall for the month that every backer will get, so I can't attach any monetary value to all of those years.  Similarly, I don't attach any monetary value to any of the in-game rewards.
     
    I hope that I'll see return on the $155 donation that I gave ACE (I got an early-bird slot), but in a similar manner as if I had donated that money to a local performing arts theatre.
     
    Now, with all of that out of the way...
     
    Early access, when tied to crowd funding, can be viewed as paralleling the common practice of providing a demo for the publisher (i.e. the one fronting the money), and it has synergistic overlap with recruiting a group of dedicated and passionate test players.
     
    As someone who has donated money to the vision that is Crowfall, I do hope that ACE is responsible with the timing, content, and messaging of their alpha and beta tests.  That they balance the need for additional feedback with the knowledge that the game will be under a microscope during those tests.
     
    I believe that our interests are aligned here, and that the ACE team has the experience get this right, something that the examples cited in the video may have lacked.
     
     
    [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patronage
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    Horrorshow reacted to doc gonzo in Anyone Here Not From An Established Clan?   
    /facepalm
     
    ok...i just read through all 9 pages of this .....ummmm....stuff...
     
    allow me to chime in
     
    for some folks in this Thread, allow me to postulate that when it comes to dealing with guilds (as in the examples given) that you may not be doing it right?
     
    yeah...if you join a zerg guild with 100+ players, expect to be a little cog in a big machine, wtf else did you expect?
     
    on the other hand...if you find folks who share your views and approach to a Game, nothing i have found enhances the experience anywhere near as much as a good Guild
     
    i've seen some of the "drama" and such...hell, i've taken in-game advantage of political problems within other Guilds to aid in tearing them down...all part of the Game, eh?
     
    but a lot of this broad brush categorical urinating all over the very Concept of a Guild is just silly, imo...
     
    concerns like this Quote - "I do worry that since the worlds aren't persistent that the passion and rivalries also won't be persistent." - demonstrate a lack of Knowledge on the subject...
     
    right here on the CF boards you have passionate rivalries that go back 10, 15 years...(like the SB stuff) or even moar! (a few UO feuds still around)
     
    i think a lot of it depends on where you are coming from....those from WoW, let's say...have a VERY different set of Issues than folks from EVE....agreed?
     
    arguing over who gets what after the "raid" and "dragonpoints" are meaningless drivel to the EVE player, but can shred the fluffies from WoW...
     
    it's one of the things i think will be a distinct advantage to the old SB folks...
     
    to us , Guilds are something very different than most other Games....not faceless zerglings, but your comrades in arms....ventrilo drinking buddies....not only do you know all your Guildies by just their voice, but the group is so tight knit you know their Main and most of their alts by memory (and the alt names they like to use, etc)
     
    here's to hoping those of you who are not in Guilds find folks to hang out with for the Game that live up to what we SBers expect from ours...
     
    heh....good luck with that
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    Horrorshow reacted to Lephys in The Pve Fallacy   
    They're simply terms that arose to describe exclusive things. PvE essentially means that the conflict is between players and their environment. AKA, the players are all on the same "team," and the environment is the only other team.
     
    In Crowfall, the entire point of the game is PvP. That doesn't mean the point of the game is jogging around striking your opponent in the face. A campaign could have the win condition of survival, or amassed resources. You don't get any resources by killing people. You get resources by going to where resources are and procuring them. The reason it's still PvP is that you're going to have to "fight" over the resources (often literally). But, going and mining out a whole mine before your opponent ever even gets there is just as much PvP as actually fighting them there. And crafting so that your team has walls and siege equipment and arms and armor is just as much an act against the other team as charging toward them with said arms and armor is.
     
    PvP is not swinging a weapon. It's a competition, itself. Hell... Mario Kart is PvP. It's just not an RPG, so we don't use the term.
     
    Crowfall being a PvP game doesn't mean it's all just one big deathmatch. It just means that the whole central idea of the campaigns is to outmatch other players (and not just your environment/neutral entities) towards a given goal.
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    Horrorshow got a reaction from SlippedUp in The (New) Lack Of Character Appearance Customization   
    Tell us more about this strange and magical land where people of all races, creeds and colors live together in peace. Are there unicorns there? Those of us in the segregated flyover states are frightened and confused when confronted by others who don't look like us.
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