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Posts posted by ClockworkWetwork

  1. 1 hour ago, mandalore said:

    There’s a fallacy to this thought though.  CF is game that rewards time investment very well and it’s very obvious who has the time now to benefit from that design.

    You’re argument

    ignores the fact that it will probably be the same people benefiting from the time they can devote to the system in the future and the same people will likely be complaining about being behind them then too. 

    1.  What's the fallacy to the reminder that we're currently playtesting a pre-alpha?

    2.  I didn't present an argument, only a suggestion on a change in attitude from animosity over pre-alpha behavior to acceptance that it's just testing.

    3.  Is it a fact that there will "probably" be no additional players after launch?  I disagree.  You may be right, which means the game will fail and close and nothing now matters.

    I'm betting that the final product will be much better than pre-alpha and the population will swell such that there will be a fine diversity of players enjoying the rich systems.

    For those who have the time to devote to playtesting, I thank you.  Get out there and get us another step closer to launch!  Show the Devs the worst behavior and exploits so they can close those loopholes for live.  Make sure to post bugs on the forums.  Those who do the most testing win pre-alpha and make the game better for all of us. 🙂

  2. Set campaign times seem important to consistent testing.

    Perhaps everyone should take a few days off.  That works better than complaining that other people take time off.

    If certain players want another hugfest campain to call their own, sure they can do this same thing again.  So long as it serves the ACE objective of systems testing that brings us closer to launch, I don't care what they do.

    Every time players under the current design make the game too boring to play, I take a few days off and check back.  It's great.  No stress.  Lots of passive training to spend.  I just remember it's about testing, not about fun yet.

    And if Winterblades gets all 100% of the best gear possible, good on them for testing the systems.  As long as it's bringing us closer to launch, let them spend their free time testing.  Testers they drive off will come back after launch.

    Given the adequate number of testers, ACE should not be spending any time chasing testers that could be spent on bringing this operation to launch.

    If you remember that there are no good players yet, just good testers, it might help the community's collective blood pressure.  Yay.  You're the best at testing.  Get up and do it again.  Bring me launch.

  3. The importance of playing a game that isn't finished is to test and provide data.

    When I have the audacity to leave my gate parcel and get killed 6 times in a row in death shroud by the same guy who probably isn't level 12 in white gear like I am, I learn to do something else with my evening.

    I hope that ACE gets this data and incorporates it to make the game flourish upon launch.

  4. Some of the difficulty in learning, adapting, and countering is that visual effects aren't in for many things.
    Maybe the guy has a damage shield.  Maybe he's getting healed.  Maybe he has some mitigation CD active.  Can't tell.

    Most of my frustration in PvP has been being unable to tell what's going on.  "Press R to Retaliate" what?  What's happening?  Rubber band.  Drop to 10FPS.  Dead.

    Those issues will resolve as the game is finished.  I don't think there's a short fix.  I understand that it's all part of testing.

    Making new players included and valuable will need to be addressed if the game is to survive.  ACE seems to know this.  I have faith in them.

  5. On 1/19/2019 at 10:30 PM, sanfall said:

    i've argued against this multiple times. There is no need to boost harvesting. There is suppose to be limited resources. not unlimited resources. This means resources should be hard to get. A fully skilled gatherer can already have 5 pips in winter which is essentially the same as harvesting in spring.

    screenshot of pip in winter

    Here is a link to a screenshot i took. i currently have 1 pip in winter. This is with discipline (+1), and excavation basics (+1). If i use a potion and food buff, I'd be at 3 pips. If this was silver, I'd be at 4 as at the time of the screenshot, I have already trained the first node in silver for plentiful harvest. i'm about a week away from the last pip.

    You can't get more than 5 pips. So I don't see a need for a buff. If anything, the mechanics should have a de-buff for people farming in areas you don't control.

    So you do like the idea of giving bonuses for territory control, you'd just like overall harvesting to be tuned down?

    There are bonuses that can exist other than Harvest.  3% healing, 5% mounted speed, and out of combat health regen are in and I haven't heard of any problems with them.

  6. 3 hours ago, KrakkenSmacken said:

    They do ask for specific focus on testing.

    Balance level focus might come later, but right now the focus is "Hey how come it looks like a slide show when we are in groups" and "will the changes to the capture points kill off uncle bob".

    Systems come first, then the specific numbers.  Some of the balancing is just to tide us over, or to show they care about gross imbalances, but mostly the focus is still on new systems.  Any balance changes we get, are basically a bonus. 

    Perfect, thank you for the info!  I'll check out the specific testing requests as they publish them now that I know that exists.  I'll help point other players there as well.  Cheers!

    The Uncle Bob issue is passive training and item retention.  Accounts that have been gathering XP and materials for 5 weeks are insurmountably ahead of new accounts.

    The barrier is hit at login, far before you can reach a capture point.  Not only is a barrier to play (not that we are entitled to play in pre-alpha, we're testers), but a barrier to move about the world and test.  I look forward to standardization/wipes to open the field for more testers so we can gather more data.

  7. 11 hours ago, Frykka said:

    Playing well and planned is not an exploit, neither is using an assassin because they are not OP, just good at a specific job, harvesting harvesters.

    A wipe is not going to help you much as we will still jump ahead from knowledge, teamwork, and planning.   We will be wiped though for 5.8.1, at least SBs, and EKs, likely vessels too, just not passive training which means I will get our ganking players out disrupting enemy harvests in purple gear within a day or so...   with a wipe of skills, yea...  3 weeks to decent weapons but they won't go there.

    p.s. They are not griefers as slowing enemy harvests down is a tactic to win.  They are special forces.



    How do you "win" a pre-alpha test?  You test the most?  How is that measured?  By giving feedback about the systems.

    We're all testers.

    The Devs have stated that there are current combat exploits.  Testing is producing data.  Great!  Those exploits are part of the discussion.  Players have then made new characters to take advantage of those exploits.  That's corrected in patches, but still negative behavior.

    Well geared players who grief new testers volunteering their time to help the game are "special" all right, but not in a good way.  If Bobby Fischer joined today, he would get destroyed.  Not because you're a better player or planner - because you've had more time to pull ahead.  As you said, "3 weeks to decent weapons."  Let's not pretend it's a finished, balanced game.  It's not supposed to be.

    You can crush naked level 6 players in Death Shroud who are trying to chop a rank 2 tree and delete all their wilted scraps.  This doesn't mean you're playing well.  It means you're not playtesting.

    If you're a player who revels in effortlessly crushing new players until they quit, I understand.   I simply suggest that such a mentality is not conducive to good playtesting.  Driving release populations to extinction with that mentality means that if you get your way, the game folds.  As an investor, I doubt you want that.

    Let's say you have your way, you and your guild have the best of everything and destroy anyone who makes a character in another faction before they reach level 10 so that you "win" pre-alpha.  Do you find that to meet the Dev goal of pre-alpha playtesting?

  8. Perhaps we would all be better served, and our expectations managed, if the Devs were more explicit about what we're testing in each session.

    "This campaign we want to see if the harvesting is overtuned."  Testers go out and hammer nodes and Devs collect data on how much loot is coming out each season and if there's some broken harvesting combos.  Feedback from players regarding this is organized and specific.

    "Now that we've gotten some harvesting data.  We're looking at the crafting systems based on the resource tuning.  See what kind of gear you can turn out during this session."  It's a craft-off with feedback on the crafting systems and RNG severity.  Feedback from players regarding this is organized and specific.

    "This campaign is about combat exploits.  Now that you have provided the harvesting and crafting data sets, have at it!"  No one is surprised that it's a murder-fest.  Feedback from players regarding this is organized and specific.

    Currently, a vague "test the game" with the overlapping variables seems to give unfocused feedback ("this sucks/this is fun") and a lot of disappointment.  Players working diligently to test the combat mechanics murdering the players testing the harvesting mechanics prevents anyone from testing the crafting.  Nobody is wrong.  Everyone is right.  They're all just pulling in different directions.  As you women/men of SCIENCE! know, too many variables makes the data lose meaning.

  9. I hope they wipe everything.

    The griefers just keep getting more stuff.  New players can't grow, let alone compete.

    Walking into this playtest as a whitehat testing the systems has been completely derailed by the blackhats who found exploits and use them to crush new players over and over.  Nobody wants to spend their evening chopping resources at level 6 to make their first set of armor only to get killed over and over by a maxed out player who deletes even your wilted scraps and slag.

    Everyone making an assassin or pitfighter to jump on the exploit wagon isn't the solution if the goal is to playtest for a better game.

    No one can catch up to exploiters who have been killing harvesters for 4 campaigns.  We have reached the Uncle Bob scenario.  Full wipes with updates closing exploits will fix this.

  10. Adding a passive faction-wide bonus to certain zones would add some conquering satisfaction in addition to points.  This would give zone control more meaning to your team and could fuel strategic choices in where to assault.

    In the future, there are many story and art reasons a zone might give a bonus.  "We're short on wood for our keep.  Let's take over the Forest of Plenty zone to give our harvesters a boost."

    Once you decide you like this idea, you can turn the knob however you want, from buffs similar to basic food buffs to buffs like a node of a passive talent tree.  Combat rewards are fun.

    I remember the satisfaction of games where you control strategic resource spots that give your empire a little bonus.  The bonus may be small, but man you'd war over it.  The juicy targets coupled with the points bonus for turnovers would fit the theme of creating appealing targets.  Are you going to defend your keep or the bonus zone?  While two factions fight over an apple bonus, you might lead a daring raid on their neglected forts.  Reasons to fight are fun.

  11. Looking good so far!  Exciting to see the world.  Very pretty.

    I suggest you keep the Plentiful Harvest in Spring for playtests.  We're not to the resource war strategy part of the game yet.  We don't have enough playtesters to flesh out the supply line tactics of the final game.

    I tried for the last 3 days to get enough resources to make armor.  Never made it past level 9.  Killed over and over by level 30 maxed out players who had harvested all they needed before I even downloaded the client.  In chat, the players were reporting they reached level 30 in about 30mins of harvesting in Spring.  Come winter, after 8 hours of chopping nodes to try to make something, I just logged out.  They'd looted me fully every time, even taking my slag.

    • Increase guard effectiveness.  About half the time I was killed in a fort while trying to craft my pitiful gear and read the crafting text with 4 guards shooting to no effect.
    • If you want players to join campaigns after Spring, there needs to be some mechanic for them to harvest the basics.  Perhaps after Spring ends, add level 2 nodes to Temple.
    • Perhaps the playtest should start everyone at max level.  Just skip the 30min at best, never at worst, sacrifice xp grind and let folks try out the full mechanics for bugs and preferences.  Players have to manually click skill trees to add buttons, so it wouldn't be overwhelming.  They can click at their own pace without being impossibly far behind the campaign.

    You could tie a plentiful harvesting floor to level so that low level new guys add something to the campaign.  When you can't survive in 1v1 battle assisted by all the guards of your fort and can't harvest, you're out of the game.

  12. I just watched the December Q&A video.  I read every news release.  I email updates on the game to my friends.

    After your kickstarter video I bought a backer pack.  Each video you put out is consistent in conveying your competence to make a game and your seasoned gamer experiences to make a game fun to play with friends.  Very cool.

    My friends and I are all over 35 years old.  We have full time jobs and families.  We're probably not going to be in on any of the pre-release testing or posting on the forums, but we're here and we're excited.  Glad to hear you're testing and balancing.  We'll be rocking campaigns when the game goes live.  We'll be throwing money into the effort because it's going to be a worthwhile hobby among friends.  All your work - we're invested.  Keep rocking.  We'll be there.

    I just wanted to send you this note in response to your Dec Q&A suspicion that we're out here unseen.  We are.  Keep rocking.

  13. How about:

    The knight gains a stack of damage reduction for each ally behind him in a cone and refills their stamina, this ability has a two second channel, beginning with a "call" and firing a 'response' when complete.


    The knight activates the ability, raises his weapon behind a blocking shield and cries "GET BEHIND ME!" to notify other players that he is setting up for some uber-tanking. Players (ideally) take cover to his rear when they hear this, and for each target the skill hits when it fires off, the knight gains a stack of DR and the allies, emboldened by his noble and heroic distplay, regain some stamina. The knight cries "For GLORY" when it fires, and all of his allies respond "GLORY!" in kind or something so it's easy to tell relatively how many were hit. At this ppint the knight is free to dig in and defend or charge valiantly in to battle, having already done some protectin'


    The knight is considered blocking while in this channel, and this blocking state costs no stamina, and as such this ability can still be useful to save stamina when soaking large hits even if the knight cancels it before it completes.


    This prevents the knight from using "bottom toward target" support, as he'd have to either be out of position behind his allies, or require the people he's attempting to defend to run in FRONT of him and STAY THERE for a bit, and as such would only work properly in massed combat if he was truly being noble and knightly.


    Thus, it's not a "buff" in the sense you'd have on a support character, but rather an ability that reinforces the unique role the knight already possesses, as a front line defender. Further knight buffs could function in a similar fashion and be a unique trait of the class.

    Sounds solid.  I really like the idea of an ability that targets allies and, instead of buffing them ("that's support's job"), it self-buffs the knight.  Have friends behind you, you get tougher!  Clever!  The can open a new class of triggers: what your teammates are doing.  This trigger brings all kinds of interactive comboing that rewards teamwork.

  14. Good thought.  If you take that idea further, you can create a self-limiting, stacking effect for your shout.


    Activate once to grow to 150%, increase mass proportionately, cut movement speed.

    Activate again while the grow is active to grow to 200% size and become immobile.


    That gives you choice and versatility while being self-limiting.  The limit being that now you can't move, and you're eating a lot of damage in your hitboxes.


    "That knight is in the way.  I can't get a clean shot on the druid.  Alright, burn him down.  I'll go flank them."


    For PvP tanking I look at the tank mechanics from Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning where a tank would choose a buddy and take a % of their damage when in close proximity.  That gave utility to tanks in PvP, but it was tab-targeted.  If we're looking to do something more freeform here, putting your hitboxes in the way can serve that purpose as long as your allies are quick enough to get behind you.


    Clever.  I like the idea of just standing in the way as an additional combat tactic.

  15. You combat zerging by designing combat mechanics that reward preparation and complex coordination over mass button mashing.


    When combat is the mere sum of individual actors enacting their individual abilities against a common enemy, you get a bland, mediocre game.


    When collaborators are incentivized to plan their activities in advance, engage in time- and/or resource-intensive preparation for combat, and coordinate the use of abilities that interact with each other, the effectiveness of zerging all but disappears. You get a game with the opportunity for player skill, evolving combat tactics, and dynamic battles.

    This is a great view.


    Imagine the fun of doing extra effects based on what your teammate is doing.  You hold 'em, I'll hit 'em and fastball special!


    Icebolt auto-critting the bad guy your knight just shield bashed, etc.  Strategic combination beats zerg numbers.

  16. Shout ideas:

    1. I like the OP's idea of it being a projectile magnet.  The CD and duration will throttle it.
    2. AoE make everyone face you.  Taunt on NPCs, just orientation on PCs.  It's enough to have some utility in PvP by disrupting player groove.
    3. AoE deafness.  Give the flashbang effect to PCs.  Slow attack speed of NPCs.
    4. Create a circle on the ground that you get stamina regen/damage mitigation as long as you stand in it.  Size and decay speed throttles it.  PCs can engage or draw you out of it.
    5. AoE cleanse of disabling or knockdown effects on allies.  Help your buddies up.  Hey, didn't you see me on the ground?
    6. Reveal hidden enemies in a small radius.  No hit and vanish on a knight!
    7. Empower your next block or strike.  Block - drains attacker's stam, Strike - breaks a block, etc.
    8. Makes you larger so you can get in the way of attackers more.

  17. Strength, Dexterity, Intelligence, and Spirit are the four stats we're looking at currently.


    Imagine reaching a certain threshold level in a stat and you are able to interact with a buff areas.  Say 8/10 or whatever is determined for balance.  If you don't have enough of the stat, you can see that there is a node there but interacting with it does nothing for you.  Or, if you'd like to add surprise to its utility, you can't even see if unless you have the threshold - forcing  you to rely on your buddies to read the terrain with you.


    For example, let's say you hit the threshold in Dexterity.  Now you could use speed nodes and when you ran through one, you would get a 3 second speed buff.


    Strength might reveal crush points in rocks, trees, etc.  Having that much strength would allow you to, in so many chops, cut through a tree.  Throw a large rock for a one time ranged attack (1 min respawn timer?).  Punch a destructable point to to AoE damage.  Use a tree branch to soak a hit.


    Intelligence would reveal ley line spots for casting bonus and Spirit could do something similar depending on what that stat even means.


    This adds lightweight, interesting terrain consideration for battles.  A high Dex PC might want to hang out near the speed buff.  Teams might want to move their battle line to a buff point.


    The suggestion is for buffs to be minor but interesting enough to like.  What do you think of battlefield buff nodes as an additional sprinkling tactical consideration?



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