krevra 851 Share Posted February 4, 2015 (edited) When i can ill def put my money in. From everything i seen and read this is def a game im more then willing to at. Though as others have said more information as to what we are getting into would be great, and i have no doubt that we will get the information soon enough Edited February 5, 2015 by krevra Drowan 1 Link to post Share on other sites
frozenshadow 247 Share Posted February 4, 2015 (edited) linking alpha/beta access to founder packs is horrible... just saying Buying a game upfront in the form of early access (ie Minecraft, DayZ, H1Z1) is a risk by itself and I don't object people doing it. You are generally paying fair price. However, paying for an overpriced alpha months or years in advanced is downright bad. How this is tolerated, I am not sure. Edited February 4, 2015 by frozenshadow quavis 1 Link to post Share on other sites
ren 1,355 Share Posted February 4, 2015 Shutup and take my money! You had us as soon as you put up that ticking clock. We just didn't know it yet. Drowan 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Helix 3,339 Share Posted February 4, 2015 (edited) linking alpha/beta access to founder packs is horrible... just saying What's wrong with linking alpha/beta to founder packs? Obviously not everyone can afford them, but not everyone can afford to crowdfund a game either. Long as the person that buys in to the alpha/beta understands it's just that, and they're there to test the game. I'd be willing to spend major buck-a-roos to experience (and provide feedback for) the game earlier than everyone else. Edited February 4, 2015 by Helix courant101, Drowan and dawgs4ever 3 Link to post Share on other sites
karnos 554 Share Posted February 4, 2015 linking alpha/beta access to founder packs is horrible... just saying Horrible... compared to what? At least founder packs give beta/alpha access to players with a vested interest, which seems vastly superior to the alternative method of completely random beta invites. dawgs4ever, Saosis, courant101 and 3 others 6 Link to post Share on other sites
freeze 3,759 Share Posted February 4, 2015 alpha/beta is for testing many many games use alpha/beta to make money upfront. I personally don't like that shift icywiz 1 Link to post Share on other sites
nolani 23 Share Posted February 4, 2015 As long as there is a pledge where I can play alpha, you got my money:) Like that!!! I want this. I love to back you but giv me access ozzie mozzie 1 Link to post Share on other sites
gyrus 158 Share Posted February 4, 2015 (edited) Horrible... compared to what? At least founder packs give beta/alpha access to players with a vested interest, which seems vastly superior to the alternative method of completely random beta invites. Founder packs and paid alpha / beta give access to players a sense of entitlement. It also puts pressure on the devs because these people are already paying customers. Choosing random testers is better - provided they are properly managed. Edit:And a couple of the posts above prove my point i think? Edited February 4, 2015 by gyrus anj and freeze 2 Crowfall is not Shadowbane 2. The the universe isn't the same. The technology isn't the same. The design isn't the same. JToddColeman Based on the update here it has more in common with WWIIoL and PotBS Link to post Share on other sites
Helix 3,339 Share Posted February 4, 2015 (edited) Founder packs and paid alpha / beta give access to players a sense of entitlement. It also puts pressure on the devs because these people are already paying customers. Choosing random testers is better - provided they are properly managed. Most developers ignore the entitlement. If they have a vision / design and it's solid they're going to follow it. If feedback is good, they should listen to it. If feedback is stupid, they'll ignore it. I don't think it's that much worse than having investors (that are expecting financial return, kickstarters just want a game) and corporate overlords breathing down their necks. In fact I know it isn't worse ;p. Edited February 4, 2015 by Helix dawgs4ever and Drowan 2 Link to post Share on other sites
anj 64 Share Posted February 4, 2015 Also, hopefully we see some combat and gameplay before the crowdfunding starts. rs_navlaan 1 Link to post Share on other sites
karnos 554 Share Posted February 4, 2015 Founder packs and paid alpha / beta give access to players a sense of entitlement. It also puts pressure on the devs because these people are already paying customers. Choosing random testers is better - provided they are properly managed. Edit:And a couple of the posts above prove my point i think? Random beta invites inevitably end up being sold anyway, on ebay or various RMT trading sites. And why is putting pressure on devs bad, exactly? They should have some pressure to release a solid game. xcomvic and pang 2 Link to post Share on other sites
kdchan 259 Share Posted February 4, 2015 (edited) To be clear: we have a LOT of experience working with publishers, and if that's the only way to get this game made, we'll do it... but the moment we sign away world-wide rights, we lose some of the control over our vision. Publishers are in the business of creating mega-hits, and the way to make a mega hit is usually to change your design to appeal to the mass market. Then publish the game yourself, if you lose your vision and make compromises to appeal to the mass, then you will lose the trust of all people that are here because we expect a different game not for everyone. For those of you who don’t feel up to backing a product before it is market-ready: we understand, and we absolutely respect your position. Hopefully you’ll give Crowfall another look, once we bring the game to market. I will donate and help the development of the game if this game will be for me, at the moment there are too many speculations and things that aren't clear, so WHEN you show us your whole vision in detail, and for detail i mean every aspect of the game, then we can have a seat. I already make some questions in the thread you open in the general discussion, we can start from there. Edited February 4, 2015 by kdchan Archduchess Alice Link to post Share on other sites
finnelhir 75 Share Posted February 4, 2015 I just hope a fair KS, not like ''crap, crap, crap 1k bucks: you got a shinny custom ted bear to put in your house, 5k bucks, you got a tavern, 10k bucks, a flying castle''. Link to post Share on other sites
starkiller 7 Share Posted February 4, 2015 If the game is fun like i think it is i will support Link to post Share on other sites
gyrus 158 Share Posted February 4, 2015 Most developers ignore the entitlement. If they have a vision / design and it's solid they're going to follow it. If feedback is good, they should listen to it. If feedback is stupid, they'll ignore it. Do you think the developers of Camelot Unchained would listen to the feedback if players told them the Inns, Islands and Megawhales were stupid and should go? No...they can't. Because they already sold them. finnelhir 1 Crowfall is not Shadowbane 2. The the universe isn't the same. The technology isn't the same. The design isn't the same. JToddColeman Based on the update here it has more in common with WWIIoL and PotBS Link to post Share on other sites
lucius 437 Share Posted February 4, 2015 I'm not sure about backing, personally. But listen, do not go to a publisher. This game will change immensely if you go that route. Say goodbye to item looting and any ffa pvp. A publisher would destroy this game's vision. Good luck with the kickstarter! Saosis and stevencolbear 2 Link to post Share on other sites
kdchan 259 Share Posted February 4, 2015 (edited) Also, hopefully we see some combat and gameplay before the crowdfunding starts. Yes, this is important too and almost mandatory. Edited February 4, 2015 by kdchan Archduchess Alice Link to post Share on other sites
alair 12 Share Posted February 4, 2015 What a fantastic approach ...I am in! Drowan 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Sloppy 302 Share Posted February 4, 2015 Random alpha invites is stupid. Why would they give away something for free that is worth money, when they entire point of crowd funding is to make money? Let's get this Alpha server up the day the countdown ends and start the bidding at about $200! If you hit 1000 people crank it up to $300! dawgs4ever and silentil 2 Link to post Share on other sites
finnelhir 75 Share Posted February 4, 2015 Random alpha invites is stupid. Why would they give away something for free that is worth money, when they entire point of crowd funding is to make money? Let's get this Alpha server up the day the countdown ends and start the bidding at about $200! If you hit 1000 people crank it up to $300! Cheap...some people ask $1000 ... Link to post Share on other sites
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