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Fae, Sexism, And So On.

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Hey so here is the cool thing, it's a game. Take it or leave it, I am not looking for some ultra political correct universe to play in during my spare time...So please, there's the door and don't come back. /close thread

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Wow. Good thing it's forums, not a bar.

 

I was a trifle disappointed when I read the description of the Fae Assassin. There seems to be a general notion that these characters all fight for heaven, and are themselves paragons of virtue. The Fae, however, seemingly fall into an trope which was tired decades ago. The demonization of men as brutes, needing to be killed at birth, is a description which requires a quite broad generalization about the sex, and it's not altogether rational.

 

It's not rational. But from what I see they want some asymmetry on every level to some degree. Not mechanic-breaking, but certainly aesthetically and skill-wise. So while it maybe 'tired decades ago' but it in the vein of this game's general vision.

 

Also I think general notion that they are immortals not 'all fight for heaven' and fight against Hunger. I think 'fighting for' and 'fighting against' is very different. Also there are very different kind of people in any war, and not all of them are heroes. All of them capable, but not all of them paragons of virtue.

 

Of course, the capture, ****, and subsequent murder of men, made systemic by their society, is a reduction which I find truly heinous. That's a level of objectification which I think might be hard to reach outside of fetish pornography.

 

Well, being a man I am not amazed. At all. :D But this is 1) game archetype 2) mirrors a culture that existed.

 

What disappoints me is not the thing itself- I've certainly read good stories where blatant and systemic sexism played a role- but this particular character, sitting beside other characters with noble aims, and not painted as starkly villainous, seems inapposite to me. The acts which she endorses are clearly evil, the society she comes from is clearly evil. The others, with the exception of the Legionnaire perhaps (there's an argument in there) seem to be virtuous, self-sacrificing, noble.

 

Templar burned 'poor souls'. Not good too. Like it was said by Gharvi none of them seems to be heroes in every sense of the word. Just people doing what is necessary based on their belief.

 

Of course, I'm not suggesting that it be changed. Requesting an artist to censor their vision because you find part of it distasteful is something which has become over-popular these days. I'm simply pointing out something which I find unusual, and I'm wondering if perhaps anyone has a better perspective than I do on the matter. 

 

*chuckle* I think we can suggest whatever we want, but I hope in case of lore stay adamant to their vision. Aesthetics is important, whether people will read lore or not. Heh, I hope there will be meaningful connection between lore and skillset of archetypes. Though I have to agree that in PvP games few read lore if at all.


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OMGosh! I just remembered the Honey Badger. Why didn't I remember that? See, this is perfect for Lore. The Badger people simply kill and eat everything 'cause they don't give a f***. 

They are more related to weasels than badgers. 


40 minutes ago, Andius said:

W/HoA were held up as like these mystical forces of highly skilled players with legendary theorycrafters chained to a desk in some deep dungeon holding all the arcane secrets we could use to win if only we knew them.

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I have BA in Badgerology...


40 minutes ago, Andius said:

W/HoA were held up as like these mystical forces of highly skilled players with legendary theorycrafters chained to a desk in some deep dungeon holding all the arcane secrets we could use to win if only we knew them.

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She also states the Hunger isn't your enemy, yet it clearly is to the other races :o? First "chaos" archetype shown?

No, If you read it, she is stating MEN are the real enemy, not The Hunger.

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I have no problem with the lore behind this character. It's fiction. Who cares.

 

The only annoying part is that if they used a reverse stereotype, like the centaur saying weak-willed women do not belong in their strong and fierce society and should all be enslaved or killed, lots of people would unjustifiably flip the custard out. Obviously they'll never do that though.

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 Honestly, I'm going to reserve all judgement on the race until I hear or read more about their lore. Only getting a paragraphs worth of information, really leaves more to be desired.

 

 That being said, I'm kind of interested in their overall look and customization. They remind me more of harpies mixed with elves, even their little bit of lore so far makes me instantly think of harpies.

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I'm going to assume there are more evil/chaotic archetypes to come. The champion for instance, seems like a brutish destroyer with a high chance of being evil.

 

From the politically correct aspect I could care less. I prefer a gritty world with real issues over a kid's show reality where they are even nice to the barely evil antagonists.

 

From the aspect that I have 0 interest in playing this character it kind of sucks, because there's the first archetype that is definately off my list, and it seems like the most interesting in terms of combat capabilities so far.


"To hell with honor. Win."

A Beginner's Guide to Crowfall (5.8.5 Edition)

 

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You think the gods are all moral? I mean really? They're Order, Balance, and Chaos. Why would you think a group of gods that are flagged under Chaos would be sunshine and puppies? They're chaotic not virtuous. 

 

 

I don't know but some how I see her as being more on the Order side of the scale...... maybe that's just me?


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I was a trifle disappointed when I read the description of the Fae Assassin. There seems to be a general notion that these characters all fight for heaven, and are themselves paragons of virtue. The Fae, however, seemingly fall into an trope which was tired decades ago. The demonization of men as brutes, needing to be killed at birth, is a description which requires a quite broad generalization about the sex, and it's not altogether rational. 

 

Of course, the capture, ****, and subsequent murder of men, made systemic by their society, is a reduction which I find truly heinous. That's a level of objectification which I think might be hard to reach outside of fetish pornography.

 

What disappoints me is not the thing itself- I've certainly read good stories where blatant and systemic sexism played a role- but this particular character, sitting beside other characters with noble aims, and not painted as starkly villainous, seems inapposite to me. The acts which she endorses are clearly evil, the society she comes from is clearly evil. The others, with the exception of the Legionnaire perhaps (there's an argument in there) seem to be virtuous, self-sacrificing, noble.

 

Of course, I'm not suggesting that it be changed. Requesting an artist to censor their vision because you find part of it distasteful is something which has become over-popular these days. I'm simply pointing out something which I find unusual, and I'm wondering if perhaps anyone has a better perspective than I do on the matter. 

 

She has a bluntly fascist worldview. It would be an awesome feminist empowerment story if it weren't quite so... fascist. For a minute or two I considered what would be a good name for a guild that has nothing but Fae Assassins in it?

 

<Snip, Snip> 

 

It has an amusing ring to it. I'm with you about the shock value, but I could see such a character coexisting with the others if the devs are trying to enforce some sort of an moral alignment system or factional warfare. If all the characters are striving for the same noble goals, they won't likely be at odds with each other. In order for the world to have good, something must be evil to cast the shadow that shows you the light.


Greatswords for Frostweavers 2015! For great justice! And swords.

P.S. I like swords.

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