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Fae, Sexism, And So On.

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I was referring to the stuff about MRA, Gamergate, etc.

Nope. No satire intended. I take the subject seriously. 

 

Those sorts of people usually have agendas against strong females in general. Anyone who tosses around the SJW and feminazi tropes really is who I meant to encompass in my generalization. Gamergate is a particularly good example; the controversy showed us a level of hatred against articulate and successful women in the gaming world, if you recall? Remember the women who were harrassed, doxed, and driven from their homes in fear of their lives due to threats from  denizens of the undernet? Those guys are who I'm talking about.  

 

Heh, I should prolly note that I read Jezebel, and we see comments from those types of anti-feminist in our forums a great deal.   I've learned all the code words and dog whistles from that particular set of unpleasant people. 


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And you don't see any hypocrisy here?

Nope. Not a bit. Both of those examples are code for misogyny, in my extensive personal experience as a female. I'll be happy to share more in pm, if you wish to continue the conversation. 

 

On topic: Why is the Fae back story so upsetting? I think it's because our Assassin evokes primal memories of the darker power of the feminine mystique, women are givers of life, yet also hold the power of death, a potent combination. People aren't used to encountering the dark aspect of the feminine; the usual stereotype is of a more subdued femininity, a less threatening female. And you're right, a strong female character does not necessarily equate with a positive role model. Perhaps the Fae story should be viewed as a cautionary tale. I'm definitely going to play a Fae character. 

 

I think the Knight is a nice foil for the Fae. He is a mass murderer, sanctioned by the laws of his king, devoid of humanity. He is a strong male character, yes. But is he a positive role model? Of course not.


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this thread is hilarious, some really idiotic points being made all round

 

would it be acceptable if there was an archetype who was blatantly racist? a pedophile? why is it then ok for one that's sexist who talks about killing men from birth?

 

this is going to upset a huge amount of people, mark my words. there's already enough poorly made socks in the media atm surrounding the patriarchy and men-hating feminists that this is just fuel for the fire. no amount of fanboys following this game from the get go will change that.

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The Fae story as delivered is a perfectly suitable flavor that I think is exciting to explore and doesn't HAVE to corrolate to real world issues of sexism.  It's just intriguing plot, and I want to hear more about it.

 

this thread is hilarious, some really idiotic points being made all round

 

would it be acceptable if there was an archetype who was blatantly racist? a pedophile? why is it then ok for one that's sexist who talks about killing men from birth?

 

this is going to upset a huge amount of people, mark my words. there's already enough poorly made socks in the media atm surrounding the patriarchy and men-hating feminists that this is just fuel for the fire. no amount of fanboys following this game from the get go will change that.

 

I think we're onto something. Sweaty Fanboy archetype?


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Have you played a video game? Not everything from the Lore is going to make it into the game. You think that if you chose Fae, the intro to your character is you being pushed out of a vagina into the world and watching your twin get shanked? Be realistic.

Oh I get it...you're a troll. You are just looking at singular parts of the discussion to make your point. I don't need the "spartan" character I'm talking about to actually kill babies in the game. I'm also talking about the lore. So.....either a troll, or......you're just bad at comprehending a full idea. 

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would it be acceptable if there was an archetype who was blatantly racist? a pedophile? why is it then ok for one that's sexist who talks about killing men from birth?

 

If there's lore to suggest that elves and dwarves don't like each other for "racial" reasons, why would that not be acceptable? Calling someone a "dirty filthy elf" is not something that actually references a real-world race.

 

If you genuinely feel threatened by fictional stories about babies being killed, I sincerely apologize. That may well trigger some deep feelings in some people.

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The fact is, in actual MMOs we will NEVER be able to kill our babies... Even if the lore says our race does it.

The Roleplay events usualy don't go beyond the stage of marriage. We can not introduce our own babies, and we are to busy to make war, not love <_<

 

Anyway, the writers just explain us WHY players won't be able to play a male Fae.

And so, thanks to that witness, we know that men are not allowed in Riverlands, even the breeders. Even the babies. That's their culture.

A extremist detail of their culture, true. But everything is not said, I guess that's a point we could discover ingame.

 

Now, another big point about players :

Players chosing Fae won't stay all their life in Riverlands. They will travel, join a guild, fight all together, and make friends. And could find love (roleplay speaking of course ;) )

Furthermore, the Fae are not insensitive. They have emotions, and are able to love (she says the some mothers cry).

So the Fae can meet a man, fall in love, and keep him safe as long as she NEVER bring him to the Riverlands.

 

(I have already wrote that on another topic, but as there are 2 topics with the same issues, I write it again ^_^)

 

 

 

But finaly, I have a BIG question since the other topic :

As Stoneborn "take no wife, sire no children", we can say they have nothing below the belt to reproduce. So we can say they are not men, and not women, isn't it ?

Finaly, from a foreigner point of view, Stoneborns are just some pieces of living stones. They won't seduce a Fae, and even less reproduce with them.

The Fae said that "Men do not belong to Riverland"...

So here is the question : As Stoneborn are basically not men, will they be allowed to enter in the Riverlands ? B)

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Oh I get it...you're a player. You are just looking at singular parts of the discussion to make your point. I don't need the "spartan" character I'm talking about to actually kill babies in the game. I'm also talking about the lore. So.....either a player, or......you're just bad at comprehending a full idea. 

 

I'm bad at comprehending that you want to kill babies in a video game? No, I got it from the jump. You're talking about wanting to kill babies in a video game. You've got bigger issues than me. Good luck with hat.

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.....They just changed the word troll to the word player in my post.....what the hell?! Troll isn't a curse word....it's a descriptive word. Instead of Troll I can just write out "Someone who is trying to get a rise out of someone because they have nothing better going on in their life" but we all use a know accepted word for this sentence. Why are you already censoring me? Good sign of things to come I'm sure! also headlight....that wasn't even a very good "attempt to get a rise out of me because you have nothing better going on in your life"

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He's just tr0lling it up. He got owned by the filter and now he thinks he's under laser attack from the mods.

 

 

that wasn't even a very good "attempt to get a rise out of me because you have nothing better going on in your life"

 

Odd use of quotations. If I wrote that, there's a quote button. If no one did....your pinky is excited? idk. It wasn't a good attempt to get a rise out of you -- because it wasn't an attempt. You came, you tr0lled, I'm bored.

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I find her misanthropic worldview at odds with her wardrobe. Who put the high heels on a feminazi? :)

 

What's the point?

 

She's an assassin, is seduction not a tool that assassins use to complete their objective?

 

On another note: this is somewhat subjective but political correctness serves little purpose in a fantasy setting, especially in a game. Also Fae Assassin society isn't necessarily evil, they have different values but not necessarily evil. The death of one in exchange for the lives of many isn't evil, it's a value judgement.

 

The hatred of Fae males might be justified, maybe due to hormones and such Fae males are excessively brutish and aggressive. It's possible that the greater Fae society is extremely womanizing and sexist because of this and Fae Assassin's have separated themselves from it to in order to fight against this kind of injustice.

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I was a trifle disappointed when I read the description of the Fae Assassin. There seems to be a general notion that these characters all fight for heaven, and are themselves paragons of virtue. The Fae, however, seemingly fall into an trope which was tired decades ago. The demonization of men as brutes, needing to be killed at birth, is a description which requires a quite broad generalization about the sex, and it's not altogether rational. 

 

Of course, the capture, Gank, and subsequent murder of men, made systemic by their society, is a reduction which I find truly heinous. That's a level of objectification which I think might be hard to reach outside of fetish pornography.

 

What disappoints me is not the thing itself- I've certainly read good stories where blatant and systemic sexism played a role- but this particular character, sitting beside other characters with noble aims, and not painted as starkly villainous, seems inapposite to me. The acts which she endorses are clearly evil, the society she comes from is clearly evil. The others, with the exception of the Legionnaire perhaps (there's an argument in there) seem to be virtuous, self-sacrificing, noble.

 

Of course, I'm not suggesting that it be changed. Requesting an artist to censor their vision because you find part of it distasteful is something which has become over-popular these days. I'm simply pointing out something which I find unusual, and I'm wondering if perhaps anyone has a better perspective than I do on the matter. 

Just as a nod.

 

Many fictions go this road for story means.

It is logicaly.

 

How many wars were lead by woman on the "surface"?

I only know one, that was a france lady~

 

But jes.

Killing someone, to save more lifes.

Seems like the way people wouldn't want to life.

 

... or?

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I hate the Assassin culture, but I enjoy hating it.  I don't have a problem with its presence in the game -- any fantasy setting that isn't a utopia is going to have some distasteful parts to its backdrop.  The more evil and repulsive a story element is, the more satisfying it is to roleplay a rejection of it ... at least that's the way I feel.

 

The Assassin is juxtaposed with some other characters that are more noble-minded, but I don't think the developers' intention is to promote her culture's philosophy as a good one.  In fact, I'd disagree that the other characters are heroic in the main.  The Champion, the Knight, and the Frostweaver all come across as rather amoral.  The Confessor *thinks* s/he is fighting for good, but that could be the sincerity of a hero or the blindness of a cruel fanatic.  

 

Now if I start seeing any players going on about how expunging men from society by killing them at birth isn't really that bad, and it would be perfectly fine if a real culture did that ... that's another story.  All these morally dubious character backgrounds create interesting RP opportunities, either to act as a villain (recognizing one's character as such), or to imagine how such a character might rise above his/her problematic upbringing.  But I do hope nobody gets lost in them.

Finally, know this: once we get in game, any Fae Assassin who decides to go after my male companions is getting ripped to shreds. v^^v


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Finally, know this: once we get in game, any Fae Assassin who decides to go after my male companions is getting ripped to shreds. v^^v

 

Well, don't forget that you are safe as long as you (as a male character) don't walk in the Riverlands :)

Some Fae cry their baby males, so they are not heartless.

 

I'll use that point in my RP sessions, both if I play a Fae, or a Human. In the 2 ways a Fae can be in a love story, as long as the Fae don't bring her lover in the Riverlands :D

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Remember the women who were harrassed, doxed, and driven from their homes in fear of their lives due to threats from  denizens of the undernet?

I do, yes.

 

SocJus really is horrific. Women that disagree with them are shamed and driven away.

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