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They did mention that they're open to specific rulesets that allow for guns/exlosives.  It was just an example they were giving to illustrate how different each ruleset could potentially be from one another.

 

Even still, I do hope there is never a "Steampunk" world...  Leave that dumb crap for Archeage with their flying sloth hangliders and people driving around cars in panda costumes and ****.

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Maybe it is too much to ask for, but I hope they go easy on Steampunk.  It is not that primitive gunpowder weapons and Leonardo da Vinci style inventions don't have their place in medieval/Renaissance

I don't mind seeing early black powder weaponry like muskets / bombs / grenades / cannons, and even simple rockets.   But I would like to avoid the cars, robots, lazers, spaceships, machine guns, he

Just go all out and air drop AK-47s and Glocks into the campaign. Replace lumber mills and iron mines with Payday Loan and Pawn shops. Just imagine it, Centaur drive-bys.     Srsly tho. No steamp

Maybe it is too much to ask for, but I hope they go easy on Steampunk.  It is not that primitive gunpowder weapons and Leonardo da Vinci style inventions don't have their place in medieval/Renaissance history (from which High Fantasy derives much inspiration).  It is that all too often in MMORPGs they become a slippery slope that leads to cars, particle beam weapons, etc.

 

A low-technology Dark Ages setting seems more in line for the ruthless world they are creating.   

But gun powder was around during the middle ages. The Chinese had it forever in an unweaponized form and the Ottomans used it to finish off what was left of the Roman Empire. Medieval and Renaissance however are 2 very different themes of games Leonardo da Vinci was born in the early Renaissance so his style of inventions wouldn't be out of place there, but they were all mostly lever, crank, and spring based machines, which could descend into the medieval style games. Cathedrals weren't built by stupid people without any machines at all. Steampunk however can stay out for all I care. It has its place but its in a different era.

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I can't see every dying world being pure pre-tech.  It'll be something like Stargate, where you have some worlds that have more tech than you do and some worlds that are still prehistoric.

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I would love to see some campaigns have more tech, and others be stripped of it.  Sort of choose-your-own-adventure type of thing I suppose, but I don't think I have an opinion one way or the other on "Steampunk" styled things making their way into the universe.  I have liked what I see so far in their art direction so I would trust their decision either way, as long as they don't compromise their vision.

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Steampunk is such a maligned genre. On one dusty old corner you have HG Wells and actual storytellers fascinated by the great leap forward in real-life contrivance that the steam engine created, and the fascination with actual genius minds like Nikola Tesla whose inventions were very close to changing the world forever. That's fertile ground for so much "what if?" historical fiction, grounded in recognizable reality.

 

So fertile is it that you're liable to get a reaction from people who like high-powered fantasy but like being able to explain it with SCIENCE. Let's totally make a rocket pack but build it out of WOOD. REALLY HARD WOOD.

 

Similarly, you can get a reaction by brushing up against steampunk. Imply there are lots of things that Totally Work but on their face are ridiculous: such as candle-powered security cameras in the latest THIEF game. (Hey, they made about as much sense as steam-powered gun turrets in BIOSHOCK or the Children of Karras in THIEF II: THE ME(N)TAL AGE.)

 

Then you've got a whole bunch of people who like dressing up in corsets, top hats, brass fittings and waxed moustaches, and hoisting blunderbusses.

 

Then you have sillybuggerism like WILD WILD WEST with the top half of Kenneth Branagh in a steam-powered wheelchair. That must get hot.

 

There's really no problem with any of this per se, but you don't want to spend too much time on steampunk for its own sake. Or cyberpunk for that matter, though the theme of "overuse of technology will enslave mankind" has its use, and steampunk's trope of "fictional technological progress could have been made quaint by association with history" doesn't have the same bite. I don't want action-packed fiction to be quaint.

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Looks like Steampunk is in....the Guinea Pig duelist is holding a pistol.

 

Cars and spaceships incoming?  

 

I am such a pessimist... :unsure:

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Looks like Steampunk is in....the Guinea Pig duelist is holding a pistol.

 

Cars and spaceships incoming?  

 

I am such a pessimist... :unsure:

 

Do not worry, we the stubborn community will not let them go too far that easily.

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go heavy on steampunk!

 

Shotguns....

Cannon.....

Mines....

 

Gunpowder weapons should not be any different than magical.

 

Just one more thing that could make Crowfall the game we have been waiting 10+ years for!!

 

 

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I have seen nothing resembling Steampunk anywhere, I doubt we will be seeing guns at all

 

I wish you had been right.  League of Extraordinary Gentlemen here we come!  Actually, his armor looks sort of Three Musketeer-ish, so maybe we can call him Guintagnan.

 

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I agree with soulein he looks more like a Renaissance gerbil than a steampunk gerbil to me. Guns were around at the early Renaissance and cannons were around even before that in late Middle Ages. And apart from that everything he's wearing says Renaissance so I think it can slide here without the steampunk tag.

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Maybe it is too much to ask for, but I hope they go easy on Steampunk.  It is not that primitive gunpowder weapons and Leonardo da Vinci style inventions don't have their place in medieval/Renaissance history (from which High Fantasy derives much inspiration).  It is that all too often in MMORPGs they become a slippery slope that leads to cars, particle beam weapons, etc.

 

A low-technology Dark Ages setting seems more in line for the ruthless world they are creating.   

 

Gunpowder weapons (although crude) were already available in Europe as early as early 14th century, which is before Renaissance and Da Vinci.

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Id like to see the artistic direction of this game be dictated by the people responsible for the concepts of this game. Whether thats particle beams, space suits etc. the more variety the better.

 

too many times, fantasy art direction becomes generic or vanilla because theyre afraid of stepping outside the box. Some of the most, if not THE most successful fantasy franchises have opened the door to more creative freedome then sticking themselves into a void of creation. Its usually because they lack the artistic ability to make technology fit into their game.

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Id like to see the artistic direction of this game be dictated by the people responsible for the concepts of this game. Whether thats particle beams, space suits etc. the more variety the better.

 

too many times, fantasy art direction becomes generic or vanilla because theyre afraid of stepping outside the box. Some of the most, if not THE most successful fantasy franchises have opened the door to more creative freedome then sticking themselves into a void of creation. Its usually because they lack the artistic ability to make technology fit into their game.

 

As mentioned above, the issue is not so much something like a gun, but rather whether that leads to a mishmash where everything gets thrown in like Archeage.  I realize there are different tastes and some guilds would love to have Justin Bieber posters, bikinis, cars and laser beams.  I am just expressing my own view, for what its worth.   

 

I would respectfully disagree though that creative freedom equates to raising technology levels.  I don't think Tolkien lacked imagination because he had his characters wield swords instead of blasters.  Low tech is a valid creative choice too.

 

So far, all we have is a Guinea Pig in Renaissance dress with a pistol.  We shall see where that leads.

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Looks like Steampunk is in....the Guinea Pig duelist is holding a pistol.

 

Cars and spaceships incoming?  

 

I am such a pessimist... :unsure:

 

Blackpowder != Steampunk

 

There is no steam in that picture.

 

I know your subsequent posts make it sound like you meant that you were just worried about a tech escalation, but this post is just plain incorrect.

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Blackpowder != Steampunk

 

There is no steam in that picture.

 

I know your subsequent posts make it sound like you meant that you were just worried about a tech escalation, but this post is just plain incorrect.

 

I wasn't being literal in using the Steampunk label, e.g. it has to involve "steam" and "punks" (whatever that second word means lol).  

 

My understanding of the term is that it involves mixing period costumes with technology from later eras.  I think Steampunk originally meant to cover just Victoria era costumes.  I am using it in the broader sense.

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