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Shadowbane and Wizard101: odd bedfellows

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Being from both sides of this coin (as a player and dev on both) this matchup is so incredibly intriguing to me. Because as a number of Wizard101 players have stated across these forums, they're not wimpy, scared little carebears. In fact, I'd argue that there is a very large number of players from Wizard that are just as rabid and skilled as the many Shadowbane players here. I know that every last one of you Shadowbane players will feel scorned by this statement, but I've lived both sides of this and believe me, you're not going to be disappointed in the challenges you'll receive, should the many Wizard players feel like they want to stick around and be competitive.

 

Alongside that statement, there is also a much larger number of W101 players who don't get into the details and min-max their characters and just play for the sake of the story. I wouldn't expect them to have the same level of granularity and interest in trying to figure out every little nuance in the game to get that edge that I'd expect out of every Shadowbane player (and let's be fair, not all of us were that intricate with our character designs nor level of knowledge of how the game could be played).

 

And W101 players. You shouldn't take all of the Shadowbane player board warrioring to heart. Most of the time their forum persona is not mirrored in game. The in-game interactions were typically with the real person and the forum posts were typically in some sort of "character" if you will. They had to be strong and maintain their stance politically. "Politically" is used loosely here ;)

 

In the end, I can see players from both games coming together to be competitive whether they join causes or fight against one another. And it'll be a blast! But, the most intriguing bit for me, personally, would be to see who would win. A group of Malistaire-slaying Wizards or a group of Shadowbane-wielding Minotaurs.

 

Let the fun begin. :D

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I'd ban you for post-count padding and name calling. Watch it! ;)

 

No.  You'd give me a bro hug.


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Advice to fellow Wizard101 players. You want respect from advanced retro MMO gamers like the SBs? Don't justify Wizard101. It is a kids game, comparatively you all are carebears. I highly doubt anyone will "bring the fury" because in general, I am sure the Shadowbane players have far more extensive training as a group than anyone in Wizard or Pirate. Truthfully I seem to like them, they seem really passionate and generally care for the game which I can't say I've seen for Wizard101. That community has quickly turned into "I want to be official and make a living off of a kids game!". This ideology has attracted more adults than I thought was even possible. If we are gonna be honest we have to be honest with ourselves, we never will get respect. Because it is a kids game, it is a game that CAN be played by any age but is generally for kids. This is a game of war, conquest and teamwork, if the wizard101 players are gonna act like weenies and go "You Shadowbane players are big old meanies!" Ya, they will most certainly be target practice for the shadowbane guilds. Personally I plan to create my own guild and actually work to gaining power and not living in a fantasy world working on making knockoff Wizard101 fansites. I am not trying to be mean but clearly the two groups will clash and in a game of warfare, I am gonna side with the army of more strategic, motivated, older, and passionate players than the Wizard101 players that try to spread the word of joy and happiness with rainbows everywhere they go. To me the wizards are carebears lol. This seems like a fight between dragon and Bambi so if they want a chance at winning, I recommend they grow up and understand the game instead of hiding behind reality.

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Advice to fellow Wizard101 players. You want respect from advanced retro MMO gamers like the SBs? Don't justify Wizard101. It is a kids game, comparatively you all are carebears. I highly doubt anyone will "bring the fury" because in general, I am sure the Shadowbane players have far more extensive training as a group than anyone in Wizard or Pirate. Truthfully I seem to like them, they seem really passionate and generally care for the game which I can't say I've seen for Wizard101. That community has quickly turned into "I want to be official and make a living off of a kids game!". This ideology has attracted more adults than I thought was even possible. If we are gonna be honest we have to be honest with ourselves, we never will get respect. Because it is a kids game, it is a game that CAN be played by any age but is generally for kids. This is a game of war, conquest and teamwork, if the wizard101 players are gonna act like weenies and go "You Shadowbane players are big old meanies!" Ya, they will most certainly be target practice for the shadowbane guilds. Personally I plan to create my own guild and actually work to gaining power and not living in a fantasy world working on making knockoff Wizard101 fansites. I am not trying to be mean but clearly the two groups will clash and in a game of warfare, I am gonna side with the army of more strategic, motivated, older, and passionate players than the Wizard101 players that try to spread the word of joy and happiness with rainbows everywhere they go. To me the wizards are carebears lol. This seems like a fight between dragon and Bambi so if they want a chance at winning, I recommend they grow up and understand the game instead of hiding behind reality.

 

I'm confused... are you saying it is a game for kids? Or is it a kids game?


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Advice to fellow Wizard101 players. You want respect from advanced retro MMO gamers like the SBs? Don't justify Wizard101. It is a kids game, comparatively you all are carebears. I highly doubt anyone will "bring the fury" because in general, I am sure the Shadowbane players have far more extensive training as a group than anyone in Wizard or Pirate. Truthfully I seem to like them, they seem really passionate and generally care for the game which I can't say I've seen for Wizard101. That community has quickly turned into "I want to be official and make a living off of a kids game!". This ideology has attracted more adults than I thought was even possible. If we are gonna be honest we have to be honest with ourselves, we never will get respect. Because it is a kids game, it is a game that CAN be played by any age but is generally for kids. This is a game of war, conquest and teamwork, if the wizard101 players are gonna act like weenies and go "You Shadowbane players are big old meanies!" Ya, they will most certainly be target practice for the shadowbane guilds. Personally I plan to create my own guild and actually work to gaining power and not living in a fantasy world working on making knockoff Wizard101 fansites. I am not trying to be mean but clearly the two groups will clash and in a game of warfare, I am gonna side with the army of more strategic, motivated, older, and passionate players than the Wizard101 players that try to spread the word of joy and happiness with rainbows everywhere they go. To me the wizards are carebears lol. This seems like a fight between dragon and Bambi so if they want a chance at winning, I recommend they grow up and understand the game instead of hiding behind reality.

 

this is awesome. i'm liking the sb crowd more and more. so far they've just been doing some baseline forum nonsense, but this is way more entertaining. best part so far...all of the references to wiz players being "kids"...which are then followed by playground style taunts, lol. nothing contradictory there. please, keep going, i'm gonna make a big bowl of popcorn and keep reading. 

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this is awesome. i'm liking the sb crowd more and more. so far they've just been doing some baseline forum nonsense, but this is way more entertaining. best part so far...all of the references to wiz players being "kids"...which are then followed by playground style taunts, lol. nothing contradictory there. please, keep going, i'm gonna make a big bowl of popcorn and keep reading. 

 

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Were basically mixing a player base who's average age is 35 with a player base who's average age is 12.


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Were basically mixing a player base who's average age is 35 with a player base who's average age is 12.

 

I would think shadowbane's average mindset is higher than 12, come on now. give us some credit!

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Advice to fellow Wizard101 players. You want respect from advanced retro MMO gamers like the SBs? Don't justify Wizard101. It is a kids game, comparatively you all are carebears. I highly doubt anyone will "bring the fury" because in general, I am sure the Shadowbane players have far more extensive training as a group than anyone in Wizard or Pirate. Truthfully I seem to like them, they seem really passionate and generally care for the game which I can't say I've seen for Wizard101. That community has quickly turned into "I want to be official and make a living off of a kids game!". This ideology has attracted more adults than I thought was even possible. If we are gonna be honest we have to be honest with ourselves, we never will get respect. Because it is a kids game, it is a game that CAN be played by any age but is generally for kids. This is a game of war, conquest and teamwork, if the wizard101 players are gonna act like weenies and go "You Shadowbane players are big old meanies!" Ya, they will most certainly be target practice for the shadowbane guilds. Personally I plan to create my own guild and actually work to gaining power and not living in a fantasy world working on making knockoff Wizard101 fansites. I am not trying to be mean but clearly the two groups will clash and in a game of warfare, I am gonna side with the army of more strategic, motivated, older, and passionate players than the Wizard101 players that try to spread the word of joy and happiness with rainbows everywhere they go. To me the wizards are carebears lol. This seems like a fight between dragon and Bambi so if they want a chance at winning, I recommend they grow up and understand the game instead of hiding behind reality.

 

Were basically mixing a player base who's average age is 35 with a player base who's average age is 12.

 

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Listen, I play wizards, but you guys are all kidding yourselves if you can't see it is a game meant for kids under 11. Do I know a ton of people over that age? Sure, my problem is the ones that generally can't admit that to themselves and try to act bigger and more intelligent than they are. Are the shadowbane players that smart, hell if I know but they seem to show passion and have ambition. Half this community from wizards actually came from pirates, and about 3/4 of the current Pirate101 community came up out of nowhere after its announcement. I merely provide a reality check. Think about the game this is, it ISN'T WIZARD101. Personally I don't know what it is (we all don't) but it seems like a more traditional adult related MMO. I have seen some Wizard players that have a natural appeal to it, play it occassionaly but know its a guilty pleassure. Then there are some people who already made a knockoff of Central, the Wiki, podcasts and everything else and don't even know if its 2D or 3D. Both sides of this conflict I feel are here for the wrong reasons. Shadowbane players seem to think this is Shadowbane 2.0 after all these years (it's not) and Wizard101 players came because they think its another "101" game because J Todd Coleman made it. Artcraft have their own vision and people need to see that and develop a natural blended community that fits the game not try and copy+paste over your shadowbane or W101 communities. Its a new game, so treat it like one. And just get along, I just stated, you guys are clearly not going to reason with the shadowbane players so you will need to stop being all talk and prove your tough in game (which again is months away from beta alone)

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Listen, I play wizards, but you guys are all kidding yourselves if you can't see it is a game meant for kids under 11. Do I know a ton of people over that age? Sure, my problem is the ones that generally can't admit that to themselves and try to act bigger and more intelligent than they are. Are the shadowbane players that smart, hell if I know but they seem to show passion and have ambition. Half this community from wizards actually came from pirates, and about 3/4 of the current Pirate101 community came up out of nowhere after its announcement. I merely provide a reality check. Think about the game this is, it ISN'T WIZARD101. Personally I don't know what it is (we all don't) but it seems like a more traditional adult related MMO. I have seen some Wizard players that have a natural appeal to it, play it occassionaly but know its a guilty pleassure. Then there are some people who already made a knockoff of Central, the Wiki, podcasts and everything else and don't even know if its 2D or 3D. Both sides of this conflict I feel are here for the wrong reasons. Shadowbane players seem to think this is Shadowbane 2.0 after all these years (it's not) and Wizard101 players came because they think its another "101" game because J Todd Coleman made it. Artcraft have their own vision and people need to see that and develop a natural blended community that fits the game not try and copy+paste over your shadowbane or W101 communities. Its a new game, so treat it like one. And just get along, I just stated, you guys are clearly not going to reason with the shadowbane players so you will need to stop being all talk and prove your tough in game (which again is months away from beta alone)

 

But is it a game made for kids?


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Listen, I play wizards, but you guys are all kidding yourselves if you can't see it is a game meant for kids under 11. Do I know a ton of people over that age? Sure, my problem is the ones that generally can't admit that to themselves and try to act bigger and more intelligent than they are. Are the shadowbane players that smart, hell if I know but they seem to show passion and have ambition. Half this community from wizards actually came from pirates, and about 3/4 of the current Pirate101 community came up out of nowhere after its announcement. I merely provide a reality check. Think about the game this is, it ISN'T WIZARD101. Personally I don't know what it is (we all don't) but it seems like a more traditional adult related MMO. I have seen some Wizard players that have a natural appeal to it, play it occassionaly but know its a guilty pleassure. Then there are some people who already made a knockoff of Central, the Wiki, podcasts and everything else and don't even know if its 2D or 3D. Both sides of this conflict I feel are here for the wrong reasons. Shadowbane players seem to think this is Shadowbane 2.0 after all these years (it's not) and Wizard101 players came because they think its another "101" game because J Todd Coleman made it. Artcraft have their own vision and people need to see that and develop a natural blended community that fits the game not try and copy+paste over your shadowbane or W101 communities. Its a new game, so treat it like one. And just get along, I just stated, you guys are clearly not going to reason with the shadowbane players so you will need to stop being all talk and prove your tough in game (which again is months away from beta alone)

 

1.  Play to Crush was on the SB Box when you bought it.

2.  All of those crests are crests from in game (we have all seen them for 10 years).

3.  He has said it will be a pvp centric game, what other pvp centric game did this guy make.

 

You wonder why we are dubbing it SB2? 


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I am not saying it isn't, I think Todd Coleman is trying to appeal to both communities but no it probably won't be exactly like Shadowbane. Similar, but similar in the sense that there are hundreds of fantasy setting MMOs with a PvP centric theme, hell there are minecraft servers that fit that criteria. But again you guys aren't the only ones thinking he is making a sequel for you, some people act like this is equally Wizard102

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I am not saying it isn't, I think Todd Coleman is trying to appeal to both communities but no it probably won't be exactly like Shadowbane. Similar, but similar in the sense that there are hundreds of fantasy setting MMOs with a PvP centric theme, hell there are minecraft servers that fit that criteria. But again you guys aren't the only ones thinking he is making a sequel for you, some people act like this is equally Wizard102

Yeah, but those people are wrong

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