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Ok, time for a gpu upgrade as I am lagging & stuttering my way through thus far with a gtx 770 sc 2gb. I run win 7 ultimate 64 bit on an amd 8350 4.01 ghz w/ 16gb of ddr3 pc1600, I built the computer 4.5 years ago. I have considered getting mid grade cards such as a 6gb 1060 or perhaps a 8gb rx 580 thinking these would more then do the job with my current configuration. I am also considering going bigger for a future rebuild, I have been looking at 1070-1080 ti`s, all of which are overkill for my current needs, 1080p max. I would basically be rebuilding for the future.

So my concern is, the guy at the parts store told me all new hardware is 'coded' for windows 10. It does not seem he means like an oem relationship but that the new hardware simply will not run on win 7. My win 7 ultimate was given to me by a friend, the 8.1 I bought with the rig originally has never been used. I am not a big fan of microsoft or windows but it seems to be a necessity for gaming. So my big concern is, am I understanding the rep correctly, will I be wasting my money on a better gpu w/ the thought of a rebuild if I do not want to upgrade to 10?

Based off very little research it seems to me that what this basically means is you get no security updates. I really do not care as I have no bank account, do not care about my credit score (I get paid in cash) or really have anything to do with this bogus system we are forced into. No one is going to be stealing any info off of my computer to be able to do anything with it. With this in mind, could I make a win 7 work on newer hardware? Id consider going all in now (not the best time for gpu purchases w/ mining in mind) on a rebuild but I figure best to do my homework.

 

Any and all input is welcome as I do not belong to any tech forums. Thanks for your time.

 

*edit Just found this, thoughts?

https://github.com/zeffy/wufuc

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GTX 1080 supports:

• Microsoft Windows 10, 32-bit or 64-bit

• Microsoft Windows 8.1, 32-bit or 64-bit

• Microsoft Windows 7, 32-bit or 64-bit

• Linux, 32-bit or 64-bit

• FreeBSD x86

http://www.nvidia.com/content/geforce-gtx/GTX_1080_User_Guide.pdf

Windows 7 can use latest DirectX (12) and Unity runs on 11. I see no issues in software to install GTX 1080 to Win 7 computer.

 

However, I did recently similar upgrade and FPS imporved just slightly. From average 35 (5 years old Radeon card) to 50 (GTX 1080) while roaming solo. Old GPU was hitting 99% load, but new GPU is not loaded more than 30% in Crowfall. Right now CPU is more bottleneck as it uses ~75% of 4 cores constantly. In other words game is not optimized to use top-end video cards.

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Greetings Comrade, aye I am suspecting 'bottleneck', especially if I buy anything more then a mid grade card. Going that high would be an investment for the future, which of course may end up costing me more money now as opposed to waiting for prices to drop. My real issue I am contending with would be cpu/mb compatibility, it seems the newer kaybe lake+ processors are all coded to not work on anything but win 10.

 

A lot of talk about how invasive win 10 is, some other sketchy things about Gates makes me not want to support his company. I cannot say any of that is true, however I rather not contribute to any of it so I would desire to run win7 on the newer cpu/mb`s out there. I posted a link that supposedly fixes the situation, I have downloaded it but not installed it as I am currently on a 8350 which has supposedly been put on the not supported list. Not that I update my windows, until this fresh install it had been years since I updated my win 7.

 

So I am now wondering, do I even bother buying and I7 8700k w/ a Maximus X Hero board for something similar for $430-$510 retail now or just add a 1060 6gb and roll w/ my old 8350/990fx/16ddr3 setup. I have a 4g connection so I am looking for all the improvement I can get, a $1200-$1500 usd build could be a waste of money for crow fall right now and potentially a waste of money in the future based on falling prices of this tech as the I9`s are out now and of course talk of ddr6 gpu`s.

 

All these questions, if I did decide to upgrade, would the linked fix from github work well enough (who could know?) that I could avoid win10? Should  I just get a 1060/rx580? Would I see bottleneck from my system with those two cards even though they would be supported? I appreciate you answering, seems we are in the same boat and we might be able to help each other.

 

For my current system, the 1060/580 are prob the top end it can handle. So if I buy a better gpu, I need to upgrade everything else, which then should lead to higher then 60fps? There is a 1080 ti near me wrapped for $700...which is tempting, a new $1500 build should last me another 3 to 4 years? Geez, what to do? Buying mid grade gpu now + upgrading later vs upgrading now almost seems like a wash in $$ so why not get the all round performance boost now?

http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-3128514/8350-gtx-1060-bottleneck.html

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1 hour ago, Rykus00 said:

For my current system, the 1060/580 are prob the top end it can handle. So if I buy a better gpu, I need to upgrade everything else, which then should lead to higher then 60fps? There is a 1080 ti near me wrapped for $700...which is tempting, a new $1500 build should last me another 3 to 4 years? Geez, what to do? Buying mid grade gpu now + upgrading later vs upgrading now almost seems like a wash in $$ so why not get the all round performance boost now?

http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-3128514/8350-gtx-1060-bottleneck.html

GPU is not limited by your CPU or Motherboard, it is kinda a separate computer :), that only need right PCI slot and enough power. I use i7 3400 (8 vcores, 3.9GHz) with 1600 overclocked memory, good SSD and mid-range motherboard to support all that plus gtx 1080 with 600W power supply and it runs all lastest major release on Ultra settings with 60 fps (monitor cap). I don't think prices will go significantly down anymore, that's why I upgraded (plus stabilising Ruble was a bonus to the desicion).

1080 ti for $700 looks extermely cheap; if it is a good card (not heating much, not producing squeks), I would grab it. And lets hope ACE will be able to optimise Crowfall so it uses GPU mainly instead of CPU.

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My concerns on the 1080ti for 700 sealed is that the warranty will be voided. It has been rma`d already so it is registered, too much risk I think for a good deal. Seems there are work around out there for the win7 compatibility issue with the newer cpu/mobo hardware but I am starting to wonder if all of this is worth the money and hassle.

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I was able to get the EVGA 1080 TI SC edition for $750 on amazon brand new. Looks like it's up to $870 right now. Just keep an eye out these cards are still in very high demand and prices fluctuate. 

https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-Optimized-Interlaced-Graphics-11G-P4-6393-KR/dp/B06Y11DFZ3/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1528739906&sr=1-1&keywords=gtx+1080ti&refinements=p_89%3AEVGA

I tend to buy all top of the line stuff when I upgrade but my machines last longer that way. I built my last rig in 2011. Built this one last week. Only thing I upgraded from that list below is I sent the 250GB M2 SSD back for the 500GB version. The whole thing was about $2400 with tax if I remember right. 

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Heya Blazzen, quite the rig! I am close on your heels however I am looking at just combining some of the older hardware with the new.

 

I am still on the fence and hesitating on pulling the trigger because I do not want to work with win 10 in the new system so I am reading everything that I can (and understanding very little) trying to figure out how it might work. For example, I would just like to use the two ssd`s I have right now in the new build, with my win 7 ult version. My concern is making sure the cpu/mb work, seems I will need to be versed in the correct drivers etc.

Of course the information I am finding is a little different then my situation so....I am concerned with getting it all figured out. Dropping 2k on a new rig and trying to use an older version, unsupported windows has me stressed but I really have no interest in win 10.

 

http://www.overclock.net/forum/6-intel-motherboards/1642446-how-install-windows-7-coffee-lake-pc-z370-chipset-mb-asus-maximus-x-hero.html

 

 

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I bailed on the build for now, picked up a evga 1060 ssc 6gb for $309 after rebate. Im going to try it for 30, if it 'does not meet expectations' I can can take it back. I had my build up to $2100 and looking at monitors with money in hand and....I took a 1060 home and a box of case fans. Hopefully it does the trick.

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