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Champion 5.8 good enough?

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Just now, siunotaco said:

no he was tanking the archers plus 4 players, needs to get fixed. No player should be able to solo take a fort

so he was tanking 4 players and archers without scarecrow? then for sure he was out gearing you by a lot.

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doesn't matter if he out gears lmao, the entire point is if 1 class can solo a fort plus players whats the entire point of factions? no class should be able to solo a fort sorry. If you can solo take forts with 1 class then this game wont last

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@siunotaco Dont even try to argue against him. He is maining champ since I dont know how long. I dont know if he even tried to play something else to see that his favorite class is broken big times. 

Tbh. Iam playing champ right now, because i learned in the last century that its not worth to try to fight the meta. Iam realy afraid at this point to go back to any other class and have to learn how to survive and dealing dmg in a groupfight, while the champ can pretty much roll his face over the keyboard doesnt die and have 100% dmg uptime xD

 

@pamintandrei yes of course these 40% dmg mod and the other stats are INCOMBAT with SELFBUFFS. Thats actually the situation (FIGHTING/PVP) where your stats are important. Iam not talking about ideling somewhere and looking at the characterscreen. The only reason I called these numbers without saying its "In Combat" is the simple fact, that he (the pitfighter = TANKBUILD) can keep up these numbers for 80%-85% of the time, while a buff like pack avatar of the druid, has almost no uptime compared to the cooldown.

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24 minutes ago, siunotaco said:

How long have you honestly been playing MMORpg's? lol 

Okey lets compare to other games
WoW- would you complain if a warrior that had 100 more item level than you came by and murdered you?
GW2- Well gear there is normalised but if it wasn't would you complain if lets say a guardian came in ascended gear and rekt you while you were in green gear?
Black desert- Would you complain if someone with 200 more ap and dp would kill you?
In all games you wouldn't complain if someone greatly outgeared you killed you without a problem but here, you need to kill people that have farmed days just because you are special.
 

 

16 minutes ago, Makuza said:

@siunotaco Dont even try to argue against him. He is maining champ since I dont know how long. I dont know if he even tried to play something else to see that his favorite class is broken big times. 

Exactly, i've been playing this class back when no abilities worked, and when you wouldn't drop hp because second wind would proc when you were damaged.


How about both of you start playing other classes that counter champion, like a templar, or duelist.I want to hear you say that champ is op then, and if you do it only proves how much you know of the game.

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8 minutes ago, pamintandrei said:

Okey lets compare to other games
WoW- would you complain if a warrior that had 100 more item level than you came by and murdered you?

Ok. If you compare it to wow.. I make a way more simple example for the champion in this game. Think about a Defwarrior, which deals the dmg of a fury warrior plus ms, while having selfheal of a fearaldruid with less cd and the bubbles/shielding of a discipline priest - > Burning Crusade expansion view

8 minutes ago, pamintandrei said:

Exactly, i've been playing this class back when no abilities worked, and when you wouldn't drop hp because second wind would proc when you were damaged.

Thats nice for you. I live in the "here and now"

8 minutes ago, pamintandrei said:

How about both of you start playing other classes that counter champion, like a templar, or duelist.I want to hear you say that champ is op then, and if you do it only proves how much you know of the game.

Which spec of templar or duelist can counter the champion? Would realy like to see that!

Get one of these ready and face me with my pitfighter

Will have a good laugh xD

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Just now, Makuza said:

"Which spec of templar or duelist can counter the champion. Would realy like to see that!

At templar, all of them, at duelist the P/P
 

 

1 minute ago, Makuza said:

Get one of these ready and face me with my pitfighter

I already called out your guild for a 5v5 where you play your favorite thing to stack ,you didn't want to join ;D

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22 minutes ago, pamintandrei said:

At templar, all of them, at duelist the P/P

100% no on paladin and 100% no on the cc-spec. I didnt fought a dmgspecced templar yet, but this will probably end even worse for that holything.

WHAT DOES COUNTER THO? You speak about counter, but what do you counter with that?! All heals and barriers are executed instant and most of them with I-Frames on activation beside from the aegis, which needs less than 0.3 seconds to be executed, and you cant activly counter that if you have already 150ms+ of latency inbetween

22 minutes ago, pamintandrei said:

I already called out your guild for a 5v5 where you play your favorite thing to stack ,you didn't want to join ;D

Yeah you called that out, but in a super wonderful way. 

"5 vs 5 us, looser gives 1k ore to the winner in the first counting campaign" 

As I read that, I was like.. wtf is this guy

Its not about 5 vs 5, since you cant make a 5 vs 5 with ppl with a completly different skillceiling. You have at least 4 Championplayers which i could instanlty call out by names: "Gready, you, Belantis, and Melons", there are prolly more. Now tell me the names of our champion players... having a hard time to calling out more than 2 right? Thats the reason, why I did not even react to that poorly made sockstalk. I dont force 4 other players into the champion, if they dont even like to play melees in the first place only to support your vendetta for making a shoutout that the champion (PITFIGHER) is broken.

I dont know why you need to bring that poorly made socks to a guildlevel at all in the first place. You are the only one defending the pitfighter in his current state anyway. 

 

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Your argument that the pitfighter isnt broken is that "You did not even win the past campaing even with using champions" 

Sorry, but I had to lol so hard after this conversation.. I dont have any other words anymore

Not even taking into account that the scoring on the eu server comes down to nightcapping and single persons deciding the scoreboards with being able to capture solo forts whereever they want on the map, without any fighting at all xD

Ah and we also decided to not care about points at all in the 3rd campaing, same for the currentone.. so plz dont blame order if they loose again :/

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5 minutes ago, Makuza said:

 

WHAT DOES COUNTER THO? You speak about counter, but what do you counter with that?! All heals and barriers are executed instant and most of them with I-Frames on activation beside from the aegis, which needs less than 0.3 seconds to be executed, and you cant activly counter that if you have already 150ms+ of latency inbetween

 

If you have to ask how templar counters champion, you clearly don't have enough experience with the game
 

 

6 minutes ago, Makuza said:

 

Its not about 5 vs 5, since you cant make a 5 vs 5 with ppl with a completly different skillceiling. You have at least 4 Championplayers which i could instanlty call out by names: "Gready, you, Belantis, and Melons", there are prolly more. Now tell me the names of our champion players... having a hard time to calling out more than 2 right? Thats the reason, why I did not even react to that poorly made sockstalk. I dont force 4 other players into the champion, if they dont even like to play melees in the first place only to support your vendetta for making a shoutout that the champion (PITFIGHER) is broken.

I dont know why you need to bring that poorly made socks to a guildlevel at all in the first place. You are the only one defending the pitfighter in his current state anyway. 

You came in a fight with 5 champions, don't forget that.Btw you are also the guy that said that everyone should change to pit fighter.OOOOh and your guild leader was the one saying that having a group composition with anything but pit fighters is useless.
Yes i said 1k ore because i'm not going to waste time proving im right.
And i bring up guilds because guess what this is not a 1v1 game its a group v group game and if i want to prove that champion is not op i need to prove it in a group v group . 

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Ok, once again. What ON THE TEMPLAR does counter. Templar was actually my first class I played as I started into 5.8 testing, so iam aware of his skillset. And NO, standing in divine light and only spamming devotion and block/parries dont work lol. I tested that recently

No,no,no dont waste time in explaining me that. Its not worth your time in a testphase. Iam out. Like I said to the other person you talked down, there is no point in having a simple balancing converseration with you, while you just try to defend your one and only class you prolly ever played and dont want to be tuned down to a balanced state.

Let the devs decide it. They got enough material from me already and the whole US-Server is actually aware of that issue, even if EU is sleeping if it comes to that part.

Have a nice day

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48 minutes ago, Makuza said:

Ok. If you compare it to wow.. I make a way more simple example for the champion in this game. Think about a Defwarrior, which deals the dmg of a fury warrior plus ms, while having selfheal of a fearaldruid with less cd and the bubbles/shielding of a discipline priest - > Burning Crusade expansion view

Thats nice for you. I live in the "here and now"

Which spec of templar or duelist can counter the champion? Would realy like to see that!

Get one of these ready and face me with my pitfighter

Will have a good laugh xD

As a Duelist last patch I beat every champion player 1vs1 without a loss. This is a l2p issue, more specifically stop being a baddie. 

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5 minutes ago, Zatch said:

As a Duelist last patch I beat every champion player 1vs1 without a loss. This is a l2p issue, more specifically stop being a baddie. 

 

I can confirm this. I played Champion in 5.7 and Zatch killed me, and I'm pretty much the best champion player who has ever champed. [citation needed]

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Just now, DocHollidaze said:

 

I can confirm this. I played Champion in 5.7 and Zatch killed me, and I'm pretty much the best champion player who has ever champed. [citation needed]

Can confirm. Doc is far and away the best champion player who has ever champed. 

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Lets just see what the devs do/fix/change and see how it turns out. I've been watching champion class and its so cheesy, not saying there aren't more classes similar to this in terms of being OP but maybe the class isn't even the problem, its most likely the combination of the class mixed with the discs. I know ultimate warrior is stupidly good and should get a nerf as well. Just so many things but this is an alpha

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1 minute ago, siunotaco said:

Lets just see what the devs do/fix/change and see how it turns out. I've been watching champion class and its so cheesy, not saying there aren't more classes similar to this in terms of being OP but maybe the class isn't even the problem, its most likely the combination of the class mixed with the discs. I know ultimate warrior is stupidly good and should get a nerf as well. Just so many things but this is an alpha

Killing a Champ is all about making them use their ultimate warrior and bursting them in the 30sec window they cant heal. I don't know how pitfighter works exactly but thats how you killed them last patch.

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2 minutes ago, Zatch said:

Killing a Champ is all about making them use their ultimate warrior and bursting them in the 30sec window they cant heal. I don't know how pitfighter works exactly but thats how you killed them last patch.

 

If you think about it Z, another way of saying that is "Killing a Champ is all about almost killing them once, and after they use their ability which makes them not dead, you have to kill them again."

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4 minutes ago, Zatch said:

Killing a Champ is all about making them use their ultimate warrior and bursting them in the 30sec window they cant heal. I don't know how pitfighter works exactly but thats how you killed them last patch.

^ this. 

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you forget about his ultimate on this point, which will make it more like "you have to kill his lifebar 3 times, then he will fill up with 2 ultimatewarrior, then you need to hit his lifebar down again and he will have his ulti up at least once in that timeframe and you have to penetrate his barriers at the same time"

I cant fight against the argument that you kill pitfighters with your duellist, since I didnt even saw one since 5.8. Also I cant prove you wrong, since i did not  waste a talentpoint into [Throw Hurlbat] which will be needed to catch the squirrel. I would be happy if it is actually true, since duellists should be strong in 1on1. Same for assassin, but they just get ripped appart if they try to fight a pitfighter, even if the pitfighter has no disciplines equipped...

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