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Hollywood doesn't like taking risks.  They'll keep making sequels, reboots, and the occasional "based on a true story" or war movie.  People keep paying top dollar to see crap like Transformers, it'll keep happening.

 

Like locusts, anything that's marginall successful will suddenly see a surge in focus, which is why we're being saddled with all these series based on Young Adult novels, where some teenager has to fight the system in order to overcome it, etc.

 

Granted, I still love my superhero movies.  Except Man of Steel.  That PoS has made me worry that every DC movie is gonna suck the same way.  Hopefully not.

 

 

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Imagine fully grown men in business suits dancing around a very large solid wood conference table with their hands up in the air singing this song.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfaZGpug87I

 

Because that poorly made socks happens. I'm sure the guys at Crowfall are doing it too. :P

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Hollywood doesn't like taking risks.  They'll keep making sequels, reboots, and the occasional "based on a true story" or war movie.  People keep paying top dollar to see crap like Transformers, it'll keep happening.

 

Like locusts, anything that's marginall successful will suddenly see a surge in focus, which is why we're being saddled with all these series based on Young Adult novels, where some teenager has to fight the system in order to overcome it, etc.

 

Granted, I still love my superhero movies.  Except Man of Steel.  That PoS has made me worry that every DC movie is gonna suck the same way.  Hopefully not.

How'd you hate Man of Steel?

 

DC blows Marvel out of the water man.

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Well I know that right now a movie studio is working on an Honor Harrington movie and the Monster Hunter books movie/TV rights were just bought to make a TV series.

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Money trumps art.

 

Other than your occasional indie gem the American movie industry has gone the way of the music industry: dead and souless. The golden age is over.

 

Capitalism is a creativity killer: its all about the money. Whatever sells is what getsade. And the public are dumb enough to lap it up.

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Money trumps art.

 

Other than your occasional indie gem the American movie industry has gone the way of the music industry: dead and souless. The golden age is over.

 

Capitalism is a creativity killer: its all about the money. Whatever sells is what getsade. And the public are dumb enough to lap it up.

Not sure I'd say capitalism is a creativity killer. But other than that, I agree.

 

Hollywood has people down to a science at this point. The movies that make the huge $$$$$$ are the ones that have been repeated over and over. Teenager is insulted in some way (maybe a friend/relative is killed), he vows revenge and joins the underdog team. At some point he'll go up against the enemy and lose horribly. Then when all is seemed lost, the teenager turns into a man and pulls out a can of whoopass against all odds.

 

Plot of Star Wars/The Hunger Games/Batman Begins/countless other movies right there!

 

I can't really blame producers though, I would want to minimize risk as much as possible with my money on the line too. Luckily we're starting to see some serious television shows that go against the grain.

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How'd you hate Man of Steel?

 

DC blows Marvel out of the water man.

 

Oh let me count the ways.

 

Also, let me preface with, I loved the Dark Knight trilogy, even with Batman and Bane's silly voices and some hefty plot holes in the third one.

 

Why I hated Man of Steel:

 

1) Storytelling 101 - Show, don't tell.  They kept saying he was meant for great things, but other than DBZ punch fest they were more interested in telling us he was a hero than showing us.

2) Pointless scenes that make no sense there only for some shallow dramatic experience: Pa Kent's ridiculous death scene.  Clark/Jesus heavy-handed metaphors.

3) Some of the worst advertisement plugs ever.  It felt like the camera focused on the IHOP, Sears and 7-11 longer than most TV commercials.

4) No humor or levity.  Took itself way too seriously.  That works in the Batman world far better than Superman.  Superhero stories are supposed to be FUN.  Sure, be dramatic and try to ground it in reality, that's a positive, but ease up on it.  Especially when...

5) Destruction Porn.  I'm all for some amazing fights, but the destruction of Smallville and Metropolis lasted so long I got bored and fatigued.

6) If you want me to care about your ethical struggle when it comes to killing the bad guy, maybe set it up a little better instead of giving us an emo cry face shoehorned into a scene involving four idiot subway pedestrians who don't know how to get out of the way after TENS OF THOUSANDS of people have died already.

7) Needed more heroics, less super.  I didn't need much, but holding a building up for a few seconds to let people escape, putting a fire out etc while fighting Zod's army, those sorts of things would have made me far more satisfied in watching a superHERO movie.

8) Great actors, totally underutilized.  Especially Lawrence Fishburne.

9) When NOT to have a romantic moment with Lois: while standing on the rubble of thousands of buried corpses.

10) Also, Lois wasn't a character, she was a magical plot device that moved around for the sake of the movie rather than being a fleshed out person.  This is sad, Lois is one of my favorite comic book characters out there.

 

All Man of Steel was, was a cobbled-together string of "wouldn't if be cool if" & "jock bro punch face" scenes that were so surface level and lacking depth, that even when I tried to force myself to sit down and watch it again, stuck out even worse the second time.  The last superhero movie to pull this level of crap was X-Men 3, and even that had the occasional emotional relevance.

 

Man of Steel is guilty of the same things I hate so much about way too many movies these days... The Hobbit trilogy, the Transformers series (patient zero?), etc.

 

Now, here's what I liked, despite all that: Zod.  I loved his motivations, I understood where he came from.  Great villain, and surprisingly an improvement in character upon the original, even if I liked that one way better (Superman 2).  Waiting to make him Clark... that was a bold choice and while I missed the Daily Planet banter, there will hopefully be room for that (and a lot of other improvements) in the sequel, even though I don't have much faith in it.  Krypton... despite feeling like "Green Avatar (another movie I hated, James Cameron smh)," it used some classic sci-fi ideas and provided the most interesting Kryptonian history narrative yet.

 

I don't feel the movie lived up to the essence of what Superman is about.  Yes, I'm a fanboy, but not the kind that hates when movies make changes that are sensible, as long as they stay true to the core material, deliver a good story, and have a sense of fun about them.

 

How to do a serious comic book movie done right: The Winter Soldier.  Best Marvel film in my opinion, and yet it still had time to balance out the drama and seriousness with some levity.  Much better written, more fleshed out characters, a gripping plot, and themes that resonate with current events.

 

 

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Oh let me count the ways.

 

Also, let me preface with, I loved the Dark Knight trilogy, even with Batman and Bane's silly voices and some hefty plot holes in the third one.

 

Why I hated Man of Steel:

 

1) Storytelling 101 - Show, don't tell.  They kept saying he was meant for great things, but other than DBZ punch fest they were more interested in telling us he was a hero than showing us.

2) Pointless scenes that make no sense there only for some shallow dramatic experience: Pa Kent's ridiculous death scene.  Clark/Jesus heavy-handed metaphors.

3) Some of the worst advertisement plugs ever.  It felt like the camera focused on the IHOP, Sears and 7-11 longer than most TV commercials.

4) No humor or levity.  Took itself way too seriously.  That works in the Batman world far better than Superman.  Superhero stories are supposed to be FUN.  Sure, be dramatic and try to ground it in reality, that's a positive, but ease up on it.  Especially when...

5) Destruction Porn.  I'm all for some amazing fights, but the destruction of Smallville and Metropolis lasted so long I got bored and fatigued.

6) If you want me to care about your ethical struggle when it comes to killing the bad guy, maybe set it up a little better instead of giving us an emo cry face shoehorned into a scene involving four idiot subway pedestrians who don't know how to get out of the way after TENS OF THOUSANDS of people have died already.

7) Needed more heroics, less super.  I didn't need much, but holding a building up for a few seconds to let people escape, putting a fire out etc while fighting Zod's army, those sorts of things would have made me far more satisfied in watching a superHERO movie.

8) Great actors, totally underutilized.  Especially Lawrence Fishburne.

9) When NOT to have a romantic moment with Lois: while standing on the rubble of thousands of buried corpses.

10) Also, Lois wasn't a character, she was a magical plot device that moved around for the sake of the movie rather than being a fleshed out person.  This is sad, Lois is one of my favorite comic book characters out there.

 

All Man of Steel was, was a cobbled-together string of "wouldn't if be cool if" & "jock bro punch face" scenes that were so surface level and lacking depth, that even when I tried to force myself to sit down and watch it again, stuck out even worse the second time.  The last superhero movie to pull this level of crap was X-Men 3, and even that had the occasional emotional relevance.

 

Man of Steel is guilty of the same things I hate so much about way too many movies these days... The Hobbit trilogy, the Transformers series (patient zero?), etc.

 

Now, here's what I liked, despite all that: Zod.  I loved his motivations, I understood where he came from.  Great villain, and surprisingly an improvement in character upon the original, even if I liked that one way better (Superman 2).  Waiting to make him Clark... that was a bold choice and while I missed the Daily Planet banter, there will hopefully be room for that (and a lot of other improvements) in the sequel, even though I don't have much faith in it.  Krypton... despite feeling like "Green Avatar (another movie I hated, James Cameron smh)," it used some classic sci-fi ideas and provided the most interesting Kryptonian history narrative yet.

 

I don't feel the movie lived up to the essence of what Superman is about.  Yes, I'm a fanboy, but not the kind that hates when movies make changes that are sensible, as long as they stay true to the core material, deliver a good story, and have a sense of fun about them.

 

How to do a serious comic book movie done right: The Winter Soldier.  Best Marvel film in my opinion, and yet it still had time to balance out the drama and seriousness with some levity.  Much better written, more fleshed out characters, a gripping plot, and themes that resonate with current events.

1) Storytelling 101 - Show, don't tell.  They kept saying he was meant for great things, but other than DBZ punch fest they were more interested in telling us he was a hero than showing us.

 

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How'd you hate Man of Steel?

 

DC blows Marvel out of the water man.

easy they ruined the comic, screwed up the basic lore of superman, then made him a thieving jerk.

and what seven said....

 

in just about every comic from the 40's on to now krypton was a crystal planet...then poof in the movie it was a liquid metal / rock planet.

the whole learing to fly bit...he was flying as superboy in the comics

 

I could go on and on...comic book movies and bible movies have the two pickiest fanbases...there is prolly a deeper meaning to that...but that's a dif conversation.

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Never read a comic book in my life, ain't about too.

 

There's just a level of nerdy-ness I will never touch; such as D&D boardgames, comic books (would've been acceptable when I was a kid though), exc

 

 

But yeah, I'm not really into the whole "hero" thing in any movie in the first place. Which is why I love the Dark Knight series, with the movies having a more sinister tone to it. Superman was great at displaying acts of "super" endeavors from the human eye though. I really felt like I was watching him do some of the crazy stuff he did. As if I'm just a spectator, that is dumbfounded as to what I see before me.

 

None of the Marvel movies have been able to capture that feeling for me yet. At this point, the marvel movies are nothing but a bunch've crappy action scenes meant for kids, with a few witty lines thrown in there.

 

Anyway, I thought the Winter Soldier was horrible. Great plot, but they kind of went overkill on some things. Such as the fact that homebase was actually a super secret factory that was churning out flying aircraft carriers. Stop yourself for a second and realize how ridiculous that sounds haha. But as I said, I loved the plot. Can't get better than fighting a government mandated program gone wrong.

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Never read a comic book in my life, ain't about too.

 

There's just a level of nerdy-ness I will never touch; such as D&D boardgames, comic books (would've been acceptable when I was a kid though), exc

 

 

But yeah, I'm not really into the whole "hero" thing in any movie in the first place. Which is why I love the Dark Knight series, with the movies having a more sinister tone to it. Superman was great at displaying acts of "super" endeavors from the human eye though. I really felt like I was watching him do some of the crazy stuff he did. As if I'm just a spectator, that is dumbfounded as to what I see before me.

 

None of the Marvel movies have been able to capture that feeling for me yet. At this point, the marvel movies are nothing but a bunch've crappy action scenes meant for kids, with a few witty lines thrown in there.

 

Anyway, I thought the Winter Soldier was horrible. Great plot, but they kind of went overkill on some things. Such as the fact that homebase was actually a super secret factory that was churning out flying aircraft carriers. Stop yourself for a second and realize how ridiculous that sounds haha. But as I said, I loved the plot. Can't get better than fighting a government mandated program gone wrong.

 

Superhero comics are still largely fodder.  Fun fodder, but just that.  There are a few exceptions, but they're rare enough as to not be expected of the genre.  The medium, though, isn't just kid's stories, you just have to pick up the titles that aren't superhero related, and most of the good ones are put out by Image Comics.  That's where the Walking Dead, Severed, Chew, and numerous horror, crime, thriller, fantasy and science fiction stories can be found.  Also Vertigo, back when that actually had more than a handful of books like Fables to carry it forward.

 

While I love Marvel movies, I can't really disagree with you on them, lol.  Suspension of disbelief, I guess.  Granted, that silliness is in a lot of action movies.  Most recently, White House Down, Skyfall, Expendables, etc.  A lot of them have cartoon logic or implausible moments, so it's hard to take any of them seriously.

 

 

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Never read a comic book in my life, ain't about too.

 

There's just a level of nerdy-ness I will never touch; such as D&D boardgames, comic books (would've been acceptable when I was a kid though), exc

 

 

But yeah, I'm not really into the whole "hero" thing in any movie in the first place. Which is why I love the Dark Knight series, with the movies having a more sinister tone to it. Superman was great at displaying acts of "super" endeavors from the human eye though. I really felt like I was watching him do some of the crazy stuff he did. As if I'm just a spectator, that is dumbfounded as to what I see before me.

 

None of the Marvel movies have been able to capture that feeling for me yet. At this point, the marvel movies are nothing but a bunch've crappy action scenes meant for kids, with a few witty lines thrown in there.

 

Anyway, I thought the Winter Soldier was horrible. Great plot, but they kind of went overkill on some things. Such as the fact that homebase was actually a super secret factory that was churning out flying aircraft carriers. Stop yourself for a second and realize how ridiculous that sounds haha. But as I said, I loved the plot. Can't get better than fighting a government mandated program gone wrong.

No offense, but you've been chatting every day for a month online about a video game that doesn't exist. That sounds pretty nerdy.

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No offense, but you've been chatting every day for a month online about a video game that doesn't exist. That sounds pretty nerdy.

I said a level of nerdy. Comic books and D&D are a high 10. I consider myself an 8.

 

At least I'm here to kill people, take their poorly made socks, and make fun of them. If I was here to create a world, roleplay, or any of the other carebear poorly made socks, I'd consider myself a 10 too.

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You'd be surprised how well written some comics are...much less the absolute art involved it drawing a comic.

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I said a level of nerdy. Comic books and D&D are a high 10. I consider myself an 8.

 

At least I'm here to kill people, take their poorly made socks, and make fun of them. If I was here to create a world, roleplay, or any of the other carebear poorly made socks, I'd consider myself a 10 too.

 

Guilty as charged, but you're wrong about comics.

 

You'd be surprised how well written some comics are...much less the absolute art involved it drawing a comic.

 

This.

 

 

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