Promotion Classes

[Gigz 44]

Love my caster melee types. It looks like they will have a short ranged melee weapon. 

 

I would love a melee dagger plate caster LOL, im getting frigidity 

[commcrab 75]

That, AND I'm tired of Ice simply giving you 73 different ways to slow people. More water moves, and more creativity with the utility of Ice Magic! *raises fist*

Maybe it could be that in the spring/summer they control water but as the hunger takes over their abilities/skills slowly turn icy, with slight stat changing too WIshful thinking

[Meridian 99]

I like the seasonal idea. I could just use that character during those seasons where it's icy

 

Edited to fix typo

Edited May 5, 2015 by meridian

[Windwaker 21]

I would be ecstatic if Frostweaver has elements of water control. You hardly see it used in games >< Water globes moving across the battlefield, showers of rain and water shields. So much potential

[Lephys 697]

Water whip! Water walls stopping arrows! 8D

[Gigz 44]

Water balloons and water gun fights, but it's acid water XD

[roxfall 92]

This archetype desperately needs more swords.

 

Insufficient swords detected.

 

P.S. I like swords!

 

P.P.S. Welcome to Corneria!

[abyssalgod 51]

Frostweaver would be an interesting class if they summoned all their weapons from ice. So for every weapon your character is proficient in, you can summon a weapon of quality equivalent to your skill in that weapon + summoning skill maybe? So frostweavers would never need to worry about crafted equipment, but their summoned items would decay way faster.

[Lephys 697]

^ Interesting, but then how would you manage the frequency with which those were available? Let's say you can only summon one per day (just for example... this could obviously be adjusted). If your frost-weapon shatters, then you still have to rely on conventional equipment the majority of the time. If that's too long of a time, then maybe you shorten it to every hour. Well, now, you're just going to use your frost-weapons all the time, because it's a "free" weapon of good quality (equivalent to your skill), without any worry for finding rare crafting materials, or finding someone of high crafting skill, etc.

 

At what point does your ability to summon frost-weapons become insignificantly infrequent, and at what point does it become so frequent as to undermine the whole point of the crafting economy and item decay/resupply necessity?

 

Not saying it's a bad idea. It'd definitely be cool (pun totally intended). But, I think there are questions that beg to be answered, as it could definitely go horribly wrong without doing so.

[Jihan 5,445]

Yeah, I don't think the ability can be usefully balanced. If the summoned weapons can be used in place of top-end gear, then they overpower the class. If they don't, then summoning becomes worthless in top-end play.

[freeze 3,759]

it's a cute idea, but its effect on the economy isn't a good one.

Never needing a weapon again after that skill is maxed, is just asking for trouble

[abyssalgod 51]

I see your points. Youd want to make it something like, you can summon (create i guess, since its ice) the weapon at any time. But its only as good as the base level gear. So its usefulness would come from when you first drop into a campaign, you are the only archetype that can be immediately armed, or when you are disarmed and need to have a weapon quickly.

[alaskanrebel 9]

Yeah, I don't think the ability can be usefully balanced. If the summoned weapons can be used in place of top-end gear, then they overpower the class. If they don't, then summoning becomes worthless in top-end play.

A couple simple ways to indulge this fantasy of using ice weapons without falling into this pit would be either to a. frost weavers have the option to change their weapon into an icy equivalent (merely cosmetic) or b. enchant their weapon with ice magic for combat benefit (whether that be additional cold damage or something else).

 

I personally am drawn to a frostweaver wearing plate armor made of ice and an icy weapon. 

[Lanius 2]

Frostweaver wearing plate made of ice? Now that's sexy.

[chancellor 1,804]

I'd love me some storm/lightning promotion. Maybe a storm mage, or lightning assasin.

Not just one "chain lightning" move, but a complete elemental devotion for lightning!

Likely to be a different archetype entirely.

[chancellor 1,804]

A couple simple ways to indulge this fantasy of using ice weapons without falling into this pit would be either to a. frost weavers have the option to change their weapon into an icy equivalent (merely cosmetic) or b. enchant their weapon with ice magic for combat benefit (whether that be additional cold damage or something else).

 

I personally am drawn to a frostweaver wearing plate armor made of ice and an icy weapon. 

Maybe glassteel can be crafted using rare reagents?

[Lephys 697]

@ the summoning frost weapons thing...

 

What if we don't think of it in terms of summoning "an item," per se, but rather a delivery system for a spell? Melee range freeze/chill spell? Instead of just casting on a spot (even with cool, actiony ranged casting, in which you actually have to aim at that spot and successfully hit it, etc.) and everyone in the circle/cone/what-have-you takes damage, what if the spell is that you effectively summon a temporary frost blade that lets you attack 3 times before it shatters (or performs some other aesthetically cool variant of the spell's end). Now, for the effects of the swings, thing like a spell. It attacks in an arc in front of you (I dunno... 2 meters? Like a cone wedge, kind of, but less narrow right up at you. Think Cleave. ). When it strikes people, it doesn't do a ton of on-hit damage (maybe a little? It's a thing striking people, *shrug*, however magically obscure), but it applies Chill and/or Freeze (and/or maybe a DoT?). Whichever effects you choose could stack to some degree (only up to 3 hits, so it's already limited, even if they stacked by 100% -- which could obviously be adjusted). OR, you could hit three different groups of enemies to slow/freeze all of them. Choices, choices.

 

Melee magic is horrendously neglected in almost any game ever. I can see something like this working. I would really hate to see you summoning a weapon that simply functions as a weapon, though. Utility weapons, maybe. Guild Wars 2 did this, a bit (even had "charges" before the weapon went away). You could even summon a weapon, and someone else could pick it up and use it. I liked a bit of the GW2 summoned weapons, while, I feel like they still functioned too much like regular weapons. That'd be a really great system of support magic, though. Instead of just buffing/debuffing people, etc. you could summon a beneficial/utilitous (utility-ful?) spell in the form of a "weapon" It would function like a weapon, but would mainly just be a delivery system. OR, you could just cast the spell, and use the weapon yourself. *shrug*

 

Just a thought. Also, I don't know why I never thought of that before now. This is why I love collaborative brainstorming, 8D

[MrPriest 67]

Maybe an ice weapon creation will be based on a talisman of sorts, and that would be the factor for the base stats, the rest depending on the magic skill level.
This way your talisman can be stolen/looted, crafting is possible, but the difference between this and normal weapons are a few;
a) Weapon can be shattered.
Weakness towards fire/heat (easier to shatter?)
c) Shape/weapon type depends on the magic. As such you can have it turn into a spear when you need range over strength of a sword (but your profficiency with the weapon will be based on the new weapon type, so you'd have to be equally good in spear and sword to utilize it fully)
d) The magic is stronger as seasons go towards winter - so you can't be uber when you first start out (even if you do somehow have a good talisman close to the beginning of the campaign)

Basically;
Weapon strength = Talisman stats + Magic level/ability + season + weapon experience + target/environment element

[Avean 48]

Frostweaver wearing plate made of ice? Now that's sexy.

 

Hell yes, and as I was talking in another thread, the Ice Amor could provide buffs to allies, like Orange Ice armor has attack up, Blue slows attacking enemies, White give Defense up, ect.

 

however, the armor could shatter (or you can shatter it yourself for damage), and then your back to your weak self. I could make a interesting gameplay mechanic. 

[LegitFrost 1]

I am hoping so, I hope this class in a mid ranged specialist with some magic tied into those daggers.

^ It would be amazing if Frostweavers used some melee weapons (daggers, scythes, etc.) but it involve ice magic somehow.  A close ranged magic user, although they have also been shown to use bows too, so they are definitely versatile in the weapon department.