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01/13/15 - Character Creation Preview

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I'll just say this about the sexualized, porn doll female characters: having some characters that are not porned out does not make it better when a few others are porned out. that's not balance...that's just a few good decisions next to a few bad decisions. 

 

and sexualizing the guy characters wouldn't address the issue either. to really achieve balance, you'd need a pantless idiot with a lacy sock wrapped around his hooligan, so...while that would kinda demonstrate how pointless it is to sexualize characters in a siege-style pvp game...it wouldn't really fix the problem. 

 

the answer is to create an environment where players aren't forced to play beside (or as) porn dolls. doing this would make it a more welcoming environment for female players...of which there are many...and for male players who do not have mullets and think all women are porn dolls. a lot of those also. 

 

another way to put this: you're trying to make something really special here...why put so much effort into the art, the game play, the mechanics and then make such a cliched choice when it comes to character design? every other game like this...and most games, generally...creates female characters that look more like lingerie models...why not go the extra step and also elevate the facet of character design? do something unique there. you have a chance to bring in a wider range of players, make a truly creative, next-step kind of game...the porn dolls are old school thinking. it would be nice to see something different, new. i think the team is in place with CF to do that, to make something really creative, across the board. 

 

Socially mandated outrage! Rabble Rabble!

 

We haven't seen full rendered models and to be honest there is only a tiny bit of cleavage on the druid looking lady.  Rest of the female archetypes have armor up to their chin.  

 

This is not the art department or game you need to crusade against.  If you do then complain that all the male models are in really great shape and athletic.  Stop sexualizing a bunch of gamers who are neckbeards in RL!


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Dibs on the horned llama!

 

(OK, stag is probably more accurate but I'll be damned if I'm not calling it a horned llama!)

 

Looks great so far. Can absolutely see the relation between the concept art and the knight's model.

Please no!

 

Deer are prototypical victims!!!!!

 

Minotaurs or Satyrs, please!

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I am going to be brutally honest.  I dislike the look of the character, It looks like a cartoon.  Mechanics are important, but I thought you were creating something unique and really challenge the current template MMO's use.  This... is a disappointment for me at least.  I was hoping for super detailed textures.  Based on this character you can tell the rest of the world is going to look just as toony and mildly textured as the character above.  I played an RTS called Planetary Annihilation, it had a good concept, but the art sucked, it's not just about game play anymore, you need to incorporate graphics.  If you going to push the envelope, then push it damn it, in every aspect.  Make this game look like Far Cry, play like a hardcore MMO and cater to the ones that aren't the "hardcore" type.  I am let down, maybe I expected to much, I will stick around for another round of screen shots I guess, but as of right now, I am not as excited as I used to be.  The textures alone look kind of cheesy and just like every other game that has come out, a lazily textured console port.

 

/endrant

 

You just listed the exact reasons why it's unique. It isn't some game with hyper-realistic graphics that ends up having massive glitches, it's a game that has its own unique style. Besides, if it had super realistic graphics, the lag would be HUGE.

 

If you don't like the game just because of the graphics, get lost and play FarCry like you mentioned.


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Socially mandated outrage! Rabble Rabble!

 

We haven't seen full rendered models and to be honest there is only a tiny bit of cleavage on the druid looking lady.  Rest of the female archetypes have armor up to their chin.  

 

This is not the art department or game you need to crusade against.  If you do then complain that all the male models are in really great shape and athletic.  Stop sexualizing a bunch of gamers who are neckbeards in RL!

 

edit, because people feel sad.

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i think i gotta cut my hair into a mullet and go visit sparrow....

 

or at least, hope a mullet can be an option for my Char

 

just because....

 

 

but it is a good set of points concerning in game Art.....much to ponder there....if i cared about Art and such things...

 

nah...tell meh moar about tebuchets!!!

 

Excelsior!


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no one is crusading against anything. i just see an incredibly talented team here...i think they genuinely want to make a unique game...so it's disappointing to see such cliched choices when it comes to character design. i think they can elevate that as well. basically, i trust the talent here, think it can take criticism like this, even if folks disagree.

 

You've seen a portrait and one rendered model.

 

Cliched? Really?  Nice of you to call them talented while insulting them.


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I'll just say this about the sexualized, porn doll female characters: having some characters that are not porned out does not make it better when a few others are porned out. that's not balance...that's just a few good decisions next to a few bad decisions. 

 

and sexualizing the guy characters wouldn't address the issue either. to really achieve balance, you'd need a pantless idiot with a lacy sock wrapped around his hooligan, so...while that would kinda demonstrate how pointless it is to sexualize characters in a siege-style pvp game...it wouldn't really fix the problem. 

 

the answer is to create an environment where players aren't forced to play beside (or as) porn dolls. doing this would make it a more welcoming environment for female players...of which there are many...and for male players who do not have mullets and think all women are porn dolls. a lot of those also. 

 

another way to put this: you're trying to make something really special here...why put so much effort into the art, the game play, the mechanics and then make such a cliched choice when it comes to character design? every other game like this...and most games, generally...creates female characters that look more like lingerie models...why not go the extra step and also elevate the facet of character design? do something unique there. you have a chance to bring in a wider range of players, make a truly creative, next-step kind of game...the porn dolls are old school thinking. it would be nice to see something different, new. i think the team is in place with CF to do that, to make something really creative, across the board, including w/ the character design.

 

i'll leave it at that though, i get most people could care less about this stuff.

 

I've never had an issue playing games with characters that are like "porn dolls"  (??)  I actually find it amusing.

 

Besides, it's just pixels.

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couple of things

 

Most of the characters look human

 

I see

 

human

elf

beast(deer victim)

maybe half giant; really big dude with horned helm

chick with green hair; haven't got a clue

sword for a face guy that you really can't distinguish.

 

couple of things I see

 

Starting allocation points; LOVE it!!!

 

Power damage

 

Does this mean that we may have stances?

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just pixels. yeah, this is not my community, lol. 

 

well, to be fair,  it is now....

 

just sayin'

 

Excelsior!


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I've never had an issue playing games with characters that are like "porn dolls"  (??)  I actually find it amusing.

 

Besides, it's just pixels.

I don't know if it is because I am getting old and the libido is no longer the same, but I didn't look at any of those female characters and think "porn dolls".

 

I could go to the local mall in the summer time and see far far far worse.

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Trust me, I appreciate female characters that are armored appropriately and it is something I am always focused on. But not every female needs full plate armor. Maybe I should add some guys without shirts to balance it out? /evilgrin

All I ask is that spell casters have a decent amount of good looking armor/clothing sets with pants...

 

I am going to be brutally honest.  I dislike the look of the character, It looks like a cartoon.  Mechanics are important, but I thought you were creating something unique and really challenge the current template MMO's use.  This... is a disappointment for me at least.  I was hoping for super detailed textures.  Based on this character you can tell the rest of the world is going to look just as toony and mildly textured as the character above.  I played an RTS called Planetary Annihilation, it had a good concept, but the art sucked, it's not just about game play anymore, you need to incorporate graphics.  If you going to push the envelope, then push it damn it, in every aspect.  Make this game look like Far Cry, play like a hardcore MMO and cater to the ones that aren't the "hardcore" type.  I am let down, maybe I expected to much, I will stick around for another round of screen shots I guess, but as of right now, I am not as excited as I used to be.  The textures alone look kind of cheesy and just like every other game that has come out, a lazily textured console port.

 

/endrant

With a stylized look they can get away with lower poly counts and texture res while still having the game look good leading to better performance especially in large battles.  High res textures lose their realism at 5 fps.

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I'm really loving the concept art style I see here actually, and how it's transitioning to what's only the pre-alpha graphics.

 

Two things that really catch my eye (and there's a lot to look over here actually) is one, I want that blasted sword to move so I can see that mouse(?) characters head!

 

And two, more importantly, like many others here, that Hunger resist really has me curious.

 

(Edited to make myself a bit more.)

Edited by dasmoose

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With a stylized look they can get away with lower poly counts and texture res while still having the game look good leading to better performance especially in large battles.  High res textures lose their realism at 5 fps.

For those wanting the hyper realistic look keep this in mind if you haven't ever played a game with large sieges, even with an average server pop of 1500, you can easily get over 500 players in one small area and with all the spell effects of spells and siege equipment going off your game will slow to a crawl or freeze...unless you turn all the graphics down and basically kill the whole point of the hyper realistic look.

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You just listed the exact reasons why it's unique. It isn't some game with hyper-realistic graphics that ends up having massive glitches, it's a game that has its own unique style. Besides, if it had super realistic graphics, the lag would be HUGE.

 

If you don't like the game just because of the graphics, get lost and play FarCry like you mentioned.

 

What rock have you been hiding under?  Toony graphics isn't unique, look at the RTS I mentioned, look at WoW, look at Dota 2, man the list goes on.  While hyper realism can fail miserably, a step could have been taken in that direction, honestly, it looks just like everything else with a new name.  Sure it has its own unique toony style, but it is still toony, just like WoW, just like Dota 2, just like PA.  And graphics aren't everything, I am playing a game from 2003, I play games from 1995 that look like crap.  Game play is huge in my book, but super toony crap kills it for me, Planetary Annihilation had a great concept, I am sure I would play it much more if it looked better, but no one wants to push the envelope in the graphics department and it is getting old.  But like I said I am not giving up yet, I would like to see what the world looks like before I make a final judgement.  But they wanted opinions, so I gave them one.  I am not saying make it look crazy like Far Cry, but a step in that direction would have been neat because I have yet to see an MMO pull that off while maintaining game play and if there is one person that could do it, it would be Todd.  I remember having to get a new graphics card to play Shadowbane back in the day and that game still is the best MMO I have ever played.  It can be done again.


 

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I'll just say this about the sexualized, porn doll female characters: having some characters that are not porned out does not make it better when a few others are porned out. that's not balance...that's just a few good decisions next to a few bad decisions.

 

and sexualizing the guy characters wouldn't address the issue either. to really achieve balance, you'd need a pantless idiot with a lacy sock wrapped around his hooligan, so...while that would kinda demonstrate how pointless it is to sexualize characters in a siege-style pvp game...it wouldn't really fix the problem.

 

the answer is to create an environment where players aren't forced to play beside (or as) porn dolls. doing this would make it a more welcoming environment for female players...of which there are many...and for male players who do not have mullets and think all women are porn dolls. a lot of those also.

 

another way to put this: you're trying to make something really special here...why put so much effort into the art, the game play, the mechanics and then make such a cliched choice when it comes to character design? every other game like this...and most games, generally...creates female characters that look more like lingerie models...why not go the extra step and also elevate the facet of character design? do something unique there. you have a chance to bring in a wider range of players, make a truly creative, next-step kind of game...the porn dolls are old school thinking. it would be nice to see something different, new. i think the team is in place with CF to do that, to make something really creative, across the board, including w/ the character design.

 

i'll leave it at that though, i get most people could care less about this stuff.

+1 for more porn dolls

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