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I'll never understand how people think a big government solves issues.

 

The fact is, the bigger a government is, the more inefficient it is. I just don't see how you guys don't see that. I suppose it's the American way though, to throw money at programs and hope it solves issues. As if that has ever helped.

 

What we need is a limited federal government, and more power given to the local governments themselves. The more the people can interact with actual decision makers, then the more efficient a government becomes. Washington has just become so desensitized with actual Americans that often the best decision it can make is to do nothing lol.

 

Anyway, as for the whole higher taxes thing.... Just look at France, that stuff does not work. The lower a tax rate, the more consumer spending and the more businesses that open up. poorly made socks, I live outside of the second fastest growing city in the US right now, and it is directly because businesses are flocking there due to a low tax rate and tax incentives. The key is to finding the right tax rate where you are able to maintain necessary government services, and still be able to stimulate growth. Anyway the point I'm making is, is that the federal government can do little to enhance  the economy, but a helluva lot more to hurt it.

 

Anyway, have at it, I'll check tomorrow to see what you keyboard jockeys post.

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I'll never understand how people think a big government solves issues.

 

The fact is, the bigger a government is, the more inefficient it is. I just don't see how you guys don't see that. I suppose it's the American way though, to throw money at programs and hope it solves issues. As if that has ever helped......

 

Anyway, have at it, I'll check tomorrow to see what you keyboard jockeys post.

You are correct

 

Highly centralized government has historically led to corruption, cronyism, and abuse of human rights.

even some communist understand this like Mikhail Bakunin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Bakunin (recommended read up on this guys writings)

Government should be as local as possible. That way the people have a means to hold government accountable.

DC already is too big and unaccountable. That's why left or right most folks feel they don't have a voice in government. Obama who was supposed to be a leftist hero has not listened to his people. But done the bidding of the government. Power has become more important then ideology. Even though I disagree with his core socialist beliefs I can see he hasn't held true to them. He has ignored his own ppl, the American ppl, and the law. He has become the very representation of corruption of power. And the old truism that Government big enough to give you everything can take it away. The police state, NSA spying on American ppl, Use of government entities to punish detractors like a 3rd world dictator.Writing law via exec order. Secret laws passed without debate or public transparency.(Obamacare, Current tradedeal, etc) Concept Rule of Law has been ignored. Sadly some ppl cant look past party loyalty. Some intellectually honest liberals are not liking what they see, and when they speak up they are hushed up no different then conservatives.

 

To those who wish for the all powerful centralized state...be careful what you wish for...you just may get it.

History is all the proof you need, Castro, Stalin etc crushed and killed off the original revolutionary true believers after they came into power. The bolsiviks where killed off, They ran off Trotski, and Che had to run from Cuba....I guess some ppl wont be happy till history is repeated. Or they willingly embrace it as long as those they disagree with are killed off first. Lastly some hope to be part of the power circle...or so they think.

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I think Bakunin is considered not a communist but an anarchist. Communism is for supremacy of the working class "everybody provides what he can and takes what he needs" Anarchism is for the supremacy of personal ego "There is nothing more important then myself". Although they are both considered "leftist" ideologies, and its hard tell the difference between them.

 

Edit: Actually I just read they were eventually merged into anarcho-communism, after Bakunin, probably thus the confusion.

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Highly centralized government has historically led to corruption, cronyism, and abuse of human rights.

 

I wouldn't limit any of the atrocities you mention to just one sitting President or party.  The problem is not the people at the top, it's the people holding them up.  The President, for the most part, has about zero say in what the hell happens with the country.  It's why most candidates hardly live by their campaign promises.  Once they take office, they get the full picture, and poorly made socks changes.

 

With our current political climate; change is not going to happen.  Bernie Sanders himself has said that it is going to take a record grass roots movement unlike we've never seen before to turn things around.  Call me cynical, but I just don't see it happening.

 

 

PS:  Lol at Sheen getting dumpstered here.


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The President, for the most part, has about zero say in what the hell happens with the country.  It's why most candidates hardly live by their campaign promises.  Once they take office, they get the full picture, and poorly made socks changes.

 

Huh?

 

The President can, through the army of bureaucrats at his disposal, implement policies which have directly effect the lives of every day Americans. The Department of Education's control over the education system allows the President to implement any ideological agenda he may wish to see propagated. The President has also demonstrated that he can start wars without the approval of Congress, and without a formal declaration of war. Yes, most of the powers the President now wields weren't intended for him by the Constitution, but he still functionally has them.

 

One of the major problems with our goverment is that it was primarily designed to artificially replicate the balance of power of the old English constitution- whereby each political interest would be played off against every other in a sort of status quo. However, the "checks and balances" we learned about in fourth grade aren't really relevant if a political party can monopolize all three branches. 

 

Personally, I hope Bernie Sanders gets eight years, and I hope the guy after him is even more of a pinko. Another 16 years of social democracy, open borders, and cultural marxism ought to be enough to finally lay to rest this rapidly decaying empire. Diocletian 2016!

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Huh?

 

Okay.  I'm glad you think it works that way.

 

The way it really works is he has a couple hundred advisers who tell him what decisions to make.


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I think Bakunin is considered not a communist but an anarchist. Communism is for supremacy of the working class "everybody provides what he can and takes what he needs" Anarchism is for the supremacy of personal ego "There is nothing more important then myself". Although they are both considered "leftist" ideologies, and its hard tell the difference between them.

 

Edit: Actually I just read they were eventually merged into anarcho-communism, after Bakunin, probably thus the confusion.

Nope he was a communist.

He is considered an anarchist the same way the modern day tea party is considered anarchist by those who want more centralized government. (funny aint it)

Apparently believing in local school control and heavier local burden of school taxes, and not an all powerfull unaccountable centralized bloated dept of education is anarchy...lol This doesn't eliminate the government service, just the centralized control. Some things labled anarchist politically ...aint. Considering anarchy is defined as a lawless state.

Bakunins version of communism was decentralized, local self governing communes connected and balanced by a federal system. He believed in liberty (more the French version then the American)

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Okay.  I'm glad you think it works that way.

 

The way it really works is he has a couple hundred advisers who tell him what decisions to make.

 

That doesn't really have anything to do with my point. Who the President is, and who his advisers are, doesn't change the fact that he has a vast array of powers at his disposal to enact whatever type of change he (or his party) desires. The American President has more centralized executive power than King George III did at the time of the American War of Independence. The POTUS, and the myriad bureaus attached to him, resemble the Tudor Monarchy which existed prior to the English Civil War. That is, an absolutist regime with power centralized in the hands of one man, his advisers, and the middle-class bureaucrats loyal directly to him (or in this case, the federal government as an institution).

 

The great crime of modern democratic/republican government is that it permits those who wish to wield power to hide behind electorates, voiding any responsibility for their actions in the same way that investors and shareholders use limited liability corporations to avoid being liable for the full force of losses or damages incurred by their corporation. Elected politicians simply don't have any long term interest in ensuring that the rules they make will better the domain they temporarily rule. They treat the nation like a rented car, using it however they please for their term of office, returning it in whatever condition it happens to be in. Most of the problems with our political system are simply inherent to democratic republics. It's simply democracy working as intended.


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That doesn't really have anything to do with my point.

But you quoted me and told me I was wrong, so I assumed that was the point you were trying to make.  Unless you enjoy randomly quoting stuff for the sake of quotes.  Regardless no matter the number of agencies or what have you it just doesn't work that way.  The role of POTUS has changed over the last hundred or so years in that it is merely a figurehead, and nothing more.  Almost every morning he has a meeting with his advisors.  If there's a burning topic he'll have more advisors on that particular subject.  He then does what his advisors tell him; simple as that. 

 

 

Okay.


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But you quoted me and told me I was wrong, so I assumed that was the point you were trying to make.  Unless you enjoy randomly quoting stuff for the sake of quotes.  Regardless no matter the number of agencies or what have you it just doesn't work that way.  The role of POTUS has changed over the last hundred or so years in that it is merely a figurehead, and nothing more.  Almost every morning he has a meeting with his advisors.  If there's a burning topic he'll have more advisors on that particular subject.  He then does what his advisors tell him; simple as that. 

 

Queen Elizabeth II is a figurehead, political power is exercised in her name, but not by her personally. Barack Obama wields an enormous amount of political power from the oval office. Were he a figurehead, he wouldn't have any advisers to begin with as he wouldn't be worth advising. That's what I'm getting at: whether or not he does as his advisers tell him doesn't mean he's some sort of powerless figurehead. The power he wields, or is wielded through him, is greater than ever.


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Hard to care about politics, if they're establishment at all they're the same coin. If they're principled they're so far to the left or right of either issue to be unpalatable because they have to distinguish themselves from the middle muddied pack of corporatist schemers...and their own political middle-ish group of schemers within their own ideology whom try to dismantle any advantage they have at being centrist.

 

 

Ultimately its a joke, money has won, and only strong consistent work of low-tier gov workers, or exterior publicly-supported lobbies seems to do anything and that's all working within a system they set up to dismantle our own government via the Co.

 

'merika

 

Bernie is hardly a bad option, just not a good one. Not that they've left any good ones.

 

 

Then it gets even more muddy when you start trying to understand the Co. interactions, and how to gauge them, and where your gut checks out on them. Even harder with less information.

 

"like sisyphus i am bound to hell"

 

Enjoy your life, and try to go the optimal path ya turds.

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A state needs strong centralization and organization to compete in the modern global arena. Sure setting Crown Authority to Low helps with vassal opinion, but how do you expect to stop the HRE from annexing these united states?

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A state needs strong centralization and organization to compete in the modern global arena. Sure setting Crown Authority to Low helps with vassal opinion, but how do you expect to stop the HRE from annexing these united states?

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A state needs strong centralization and organization to compete in the modern global arena. Sure setting Crown Authority to Low helps with vassal opinion, but how do you expect to stop the HRE from annexing these united states?

Our vassals will contribute more troops due to a higher opinion of the government. Plus, we can always hire Blackwater for 10000 gold too!


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Bernie is having a kick off today, check out the website and go to one of the local RVSPs and have fun :3

 

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