Handies 1,421 Share Posted July 2, 2015 (edited) No government or religion has ever been able to change human nature. No leader or god has ever been able to change human nature. No law or holy book has ever been able to change human nature. Yet people think reporting and banning people in a game is somehow going to change human nature and that "toxicity" will disappear. One can not simply make a pvp game and expect people to not get upset over actions, words or anything else done in the game or on the forums. Whether people want to believe it or not, poorly made socks talking on the forums matters almost as much as things done in the game. Rivalries get formed. Friends get formed. Connections get made. I am not sure where the most of you get this attitude of "pvp only happens in game.". It does not. There is a line when poorly made socks talking that does involve going beyond it and most of us will not pass said line. Beyond that line is when rules mods should step up. You can not have a pvp game while trying to stack rules upon it. Here is some honest to god advice for both gaming and dealing with reality. Get over it. Seriously, get over your whining and crying. Adapt and toughen up or you will always be considered a joke. Adapt and toughen up so you can actually deal with reality instead of trying to hide from it. Your real life and gaming life will improve 100 fold. You will literally be a happier and more satisfied human being. Edited July 2, 2015 by Handies DFDelta, protonix, Mourne and 13 others 16 http://the-forgotten-army.enjin.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oberon 2,473 Share Posted July 2, 2015 (edited) people will change their nature if it means losing access Edited July 4, 2015 by oberon Angier 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handies 1,421 Author Share Posted July 2, 2015 I think you can fix toxicity here because there is no constitution that is going to stand in the way You mean you can fix it just like all the other games have fixed it right? Oh, wait.. bairloch 1 http://the-forgotten-army.enjin.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arro 143 Share Posted July 2, 2015 You can´t fix it, you can however reduce it and make it meaningless. Just ignore those people... Bremmen and pang 2 Arrogance diminishes wisdom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headlight 5,743 Share Posted July 2, 2015 SJW's unite! Mourne 1 RIP Louis "Snax" Garcia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surBear 463 Share Posted July 2, 2015 As Heinlein said "An armed society is a polite society." Back when everyone had a gun, or further back when everyone carried a sword, people were nice and polite to each other. poorly made socks talking is a modern occurrence. Our society now lets little kids say things that would have got my head bashed in or at the least, a mouth full of soap when I was growing up. Forumbane is all fun and games, but it is not a necessity. You can have enemies without being toxic. Even enemies can be polite to each other. Jihan, Angier, Bremmen and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handies 1,421 Author Share Posted July 2, 2015 SJW's unite! pretty much. http://the-forgotten-army.enjin.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bahamutkaiser 2,383 Share Posted July 2, 2015 There are plenty of things that influence human behavior, you don't see open acts of violence and free hate speech. The internet insulates offenders from being accountable, but a great many behaviors are suppressed both on and off the net. There are ways to design gameplay, narrative, and moderation to reduce unwelcome behavior. It's a fallacy to assert that it doesn't have an impact just because it doesn't preclude all incidents. This forum itself has a profanity filter, rendering most offensive language humorous, and disincentivizing profanity in general. There are ways. Sengi, Xehlwan and courant101 3 Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes... Than if they're upset, they'll be a mile away, and barefoot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adall 3,895 Share Posted July 2, 2015 (edited) There are plenty of things that influence human behavior, you don't see open acts of violence and free hate speech. The internet insulates offenders from being accountable, but a great many behaviors are suppressed both on and off the net. There are ways to design gameplay, narrative, and moderation to reduce unwelcome behavior. It's a fallacy to assert that it doesn't have an impact just because it doesn't preclude all incidents. This forum itself has a profanity filter, rendering most offensive language humorous, and disincentivizing profanity in general. There are ways. Filters are lame. custard off you %+@!$#?&*^. You are an unpleasant person %+@!$#?&*^. Edited July 2, 2015 by Adall bahamutkaiser, Sceyef and Handies 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pang 4,174 Share Posted July 2, 2015 (edited) Obviously can't fix it or change people but nothing wrong with trying to promote an environment where the "toxicity" isn't welcome and hopefully self policed out of said little corner of the world/Internet/w/e. Edited July 2, 2015 by pang tanom and courant101 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sciocco 507 Share Posted July 2, 2015 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iywaBOMvYLI What? I agree that the forums are also apart of PvP. Animosity leads to higher quality and quantity PvP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keaggan 1,480 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Its not about fixing it because rules nor laws can change a person's attitude but you can put a structure in place that reduces the amount with the fear of loosing out on something. AKA posting in the forums. Nothing is perfect just different levels reduction. Sengi, courant101 and pang 3 **JOIN Crowfall Discord** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenebrosity 619 Share Posted July 2, 2015 imho, moderation on here will definitely need to tone down quite a bit as the game progresses if they want the game to really succeed in creating a thriving/lively community. ForumBane will be just as important to the game as logging in and PvPing will be. This game will be driven by politics and trash talk. If you can't trash talk and publicly bash your opponent on the forums it makes the game a lot less fun. I hope we see a ForumBane sub-form added sometime soon with very light moderation (to stop people from posting real life details and such) were people can be who they are and not have to worry if the mods are watching.. anyway.. peace and love to all of you.. and remember... Todd Coleman and the Panntroopers are watching.... Agravenn, protonix, cloudfly and 1 other 4 lol ok.. I wonder if I'll still be able to steal directly from people's inventories.. hrmmm Twitch - Twitter RIP DOC GONZO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handies 1,421 Author Share Posted July 2, 2015 imho, moderation on here will definitely need to tone down quite a bit as the game progresses if they want the game to really succeed in creating a thriving/lively community. ForumBane will be just as important to the game as logging in and PvPing will be. This game will be driven by politics and trash talk. If you can't trash talk and publicly bash your opponent on the forums it makes the game a lot less fun. I hope we see a ForumBane sub-form added sometime soon with very light moderation (to stop people from posting real life details and such) were people can be who they are and not have to worry if the mods are watching.. anyway.. peace and love to all of you.. and remember... Todd Coleman and the Panntroopers are watching.... We have been asking for that section for months. http://the-forgotten-army.enjin.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
11nephilim 90 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Right but there are things you can do to discourage people from being d*ckholes. For example, in old WoW before cross-realm dungeons, notorious trolls and ninja-looters would be basically blacklisted on the server and nobody would group with them anymore. Because levelling a new character was arduous, and you couldn't change your character name, you were stuck with your reputation no matter what. Nowadays you mostly play with people from other realms who will never see you again, so it doesn't make a difference if you act like a pr*ck or not. There are ways of dealing with idiots better than the banhammer, namely, make it so that your community has the tools to ostracise unpleasant players if they wish. courant101 and Sengi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grayfox 35 Share Posted July 3, 2015 PVPers are the worst. Mayhemlock 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloudfly 40 Share Posted July 3, 2015 (edited) No government or religion has ever been able to change human nature. There is no human nature, theres genes and environment. Environment affects the genes. Genes become active or inactive based on environmental stimulus. Before you go and say I'm a crazy person and have no idea what I'm talking about, I am quoting Dr. Robert Sapolsky verbatim. He is a neuroendocrinologist, professor of biology, neuroscience, and neurosurgery at Stanford University. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Sapolsky So if you want to call me crazy, you're calling him crazy. I just had to correct you on human nature. Edited July 3, 2015 by cloudfly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearmans 155 Share Posted July 3, 2015 this thread upsets me on a metaphysical level courant101 and mythx 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zomnivore 340 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Eh. People are going to be at differing levels of sociability, and generally I feel as a trend, that gaming has gotten better on the whole. Mobas are a highly stressful genre of team-reliant game and I think they've shown the most poorly made socksty player populations but gamers have steadily been getting better at dealing with that environment. imo. gamings as good as its ever been, the worlds been about as poorly made socks as its ever been and gamers have steadily been getting better inspite of it. courant101 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloudfly 40 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Eh. People are going to be at differing levels of sociability, and generally I feel as a trend, that gaming has gotten better on the whole. Mobas are a highly stressful genre of team-reliant game and I think they've shown the most poorly made socksty player populations but gamers have steadily been getting better at dealing with that environment. imo. gamings as good as its ever been, the worlds been about as poorly made socks as its ever been and gamers have steadily been getting better inspite of it. good is subjective courant101 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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