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The answer to the question is "no".  And I hope you aren't planning to get yourself in a position where this is a possibility.

 

Well I don't ever "plan" to get suspended or banned, but I can't help it that poor moderation sometimes leads to that outcome.  Not here though of course.

 

Thank you for the the quick, succinct and sensible answer.


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The answer to the question is "no".  And I hope you aren't planning to get yourself in a position where this is a possibility.

 

Proto doesn't get banned.  He walks away in slow motion putting sunglasses on while the forums explode over his shoulder.... and he doesn't turn around to look.

 

I can understand the sensitivity to a forum bane equating to an in game ban.  Everyone's goal which is very achievable, should be to not get banned from either one.  I'm of the opinion that everyone on here is smart enough to know when they are crossing a line and some decide to click "Post" anyways.


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You agree that all of your communications within the Communication Channels are public, and thus you have no expectation of privacy regarding your use of the Communication Channels. Art+Craft is not responsible for information that you choose to share on the Communication Channels or for the actions of other users.

 

I'm not sure I agree that it makes either conceptual or legal sense to declare PMs sent via an ACE service "public". A strict reading of this clause gives ACE the right to publish my phone number or address if I send my info to someone else in a PM.

 

You agree that your use of the Service shall be lawful and that you will comply with the usage rules. In furtherance of the foregoing, and as an example and not as a limitation, you agree not to use the Service in order to:
    post, upload, transmit or otherwise disseminate information that is obscene, indecent, vulgar, pornographic, sexual or otherwise objectionable;

 

"Objectionable" is a loaded term here; you'll have people claiming that anything they object to is objectionable, and they'll be right.

 

    defame, libel, ridicule, mock, stalk, threaten, harass, intimidate or abuse anyone, hatefully, racially, ethnically or, in a reasonable person's view, otherwise offensive or objectionable;

 

You lost the track of parallel construction here. 'Offensive or objectionable' need to be adverbs like the other items in the list. And I again maintain that "objectionable" is too subjective to have a place in this document.

Also, if this section is nullified by an exception in the in-game CoC, why not just move this over to the forums CoC and remove the need for an exception?

 

    real-world threats of any kind against others will lead to disciplinary actions;

 

Another parallel construction failure; this needs to be recast as a verb phrase like the rest of the clauses. "You agree not to use the service in order to real world threats of any kind against others will lead to disciplinary actions" is a grammatical dirty diaper.

Also, this clause uniquely places a duty on ACE to enforce this term by committing that an offense "will" lead to action, potentially creating a cause of action enabling a user to sue ACE if you fail to perform as committed. This is almost certainly a bad idea.

 

I speculate that this clause was added to the document by someone other than the main author. Great care should be taken when second-guessing your experts.

 

    use the service to discuss anything about real-world politics or religion, these topics are inherently divisive and not part of the game experience;

 

I understand the feeling here but there's a lot of grey area that'll lead to endless arguments- both among players, and between players and staff. Is someone who posts "MURICA!" on the fourth of July making a political statement? Is the guy who responds positively to him? What about the guy who says "take that crap elsewhere"?

I think this clause would probably be better placed in a 'better civil discourse' document which offers guidelines in a 'we ask that you avoid' sort of context.

 

    attempt to obtain passwords or other private information from other members;

 

"I can't ask you for your phone number, but if you want to volunteer it..." I understand the thinking here but I'm not sure this is the best phrasing.

 

    disrupt the flow of chat in chat rooms (including in-game chat) with vulgar language, abusiveness, hitting the return key repeatedly or inputting large images so the screen goes by too fast to read, use of excessive shouting (all caps) in an attempt to disturb other users, “spamming” or flooding (posting repetitive text) or use of any other methods to disrupt the flow of chat in chat rooms;

 

"hitting the return key repeatedly or inputting large images so the screen goes by too fast to read" is redundant with "'spamming' or flooding". If you feel like there are bases that aren't covered by "spamming or flooding", revise it to "spamming, flooding, or scrolling".

 

    improperly use support channels or complaint buttons to make false reports to Art+Craft;

 

Add text here to forbid spamming the queue with multiples of the same report or with gibberish reports.

 

    impersonate another person (including celebrities), indicate falsely or misleadingly that you are an Art+Craft employee or a representative of Art+Craft or any of Art+Craft’s partners or affiliates;

 

This needs to be worded much more carefully or it will be read to forbid impersonation of Crowfall community personalities. If someone wants to try to pretend to be Jihan he should be free to make the attempt.

 

The section on impersonating an employee should also be written to prevent falsely claiming authority as an advocate, moderator, friend of Todd's, or other privileged non-employee.

 

    post messages for any purpose other than personal communication, including commercial advertising or promotional messaging, referral codes, chain letters, pyramid schemes, or other commercial activities.

 

Military troop movement orders are not "personal communication", and promoting  the vendors in my EK is arguably "commercial advertising". I would recast this along the lines of "advertise or promote any out-of-game service, scheme, or commercial activity".

 

    develop, distribute, or publicly inform other members of "auto" software programs, "macro" software programs or other "cheat utility" software programs or applications in violation of the applicable Terms;

 

Remember that the context of this list is "You agree not to use the service in order to:" Nobody is going to use the service to develop a cheat program. Also, you'll need a policy clarification on this detailing exactly where you draw the line between smart keyboards and illegal macro programs.

 

    attempt to interfere with, hack into or decipher any transmissions to or from the servers for any of the Art+Craft Services;

 

"hack into a transmission" has no legal or technical meaning. Did you mean "intercept"? Or perhaps "rewrite"?

 

    exploit the Game (or any part thereof) or any of the other Art+Craft Services, for any commercial purpose, including without limitation ( a ) use at a cyber cafe, computer gaming center or any other location-based site;

 

Every place on Earth is a "location-based site". What are you trying to say with this language? And, why would you want to block gaming at internet cafes anyway?

 

      ( b )  for gathering in-game virtual, items or resources for sale outside the Game, other than allowed by Art+Craft;

 

I think "other than allowed" should probably be "other than as allowed." Even then this communicates nothing useful. What ways are allowed? Also, this looks like a sharp pivot from your previous stance that you would make no effort to prevent out-of-game sale of Crowfall digital assets as long as such sales were not advertised through your service.

 

      or ( c ) performing in-game services in exchange for payment outside the Game;

 

I'm questioning the reasoning on this one too. This prevents any kind of market for a character training service, kingdom decoration service, escrow services, etc which all add value to the game and to the game community. This language could be worked around by taking payment in VIP tickets and then selling the tickets (unless that's "other than allowed" under section B ) ; is that your intent? Or, well, what IS your intent here?

 

    interfere with the ability of others to enjoy using an Art+Craft Service or take actions outside of normal game mechanics that

interfere with or materially increase the cost to provide the Art+Craft Service for the enjoyment of all its users;

 

Killing me interferes with my ability to enjoy the service! I know you're using "enjoy" as a term of art here, but it might be better to simplify  "enjoy using" to "use".

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P.S. You forbid communication about macroing/cheating programs but nowhere do you actually forbid their use. You should add language either to this document or the in-game document forbidding the use of any computer program, script, or expert system to interact with the game service to control a game character or otherwise act in place of a human player; any modification of active game data in memory except via normal interaction with the authorized client, and so forth.


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You agree that all of your communications within the Communication Channels are public, and thus you have no expectation of privacy regarding your use of the Communication Channels. Art+Craft is not responsible for information that you choose to share on the Communication Channels or for the actions of other users.

 

I'm not sure I agree that it makes either conceptual or legal sense to declare PMs sent via an ACE service "public". A strict reading of this clause gives ACE the right to publish my phone number or address if I send my info to someone else in a PM.

 

No, it really doesn't. A strict reading of this clause warns stupid people that just because you shared something with another user (on this forum, in game, or even in a 'private message') does not mean that person is bound, legally or otherwise, to not share that information with other users, the entire forum, other forums, or anyone in the real world. Art+Craft itself is already legally obligated not to purposefully disseminate private information about it's users (unless subpoenaed, which might include anything sent in PM's between users), and since these are simply a private company's 'Rules of Conduct', they clearly do not trump real world laws. The point of this clause is to both warn users of the dangers of sharing personal information, and to clearly state that Art+Craft will not be held responsible if you do something stupid like give some random stranger on the internet your personal information over a PM and then find that same information posted on some other website.

 

You agree that your use of the Service shall be lawful and that you will comply with the usage rules. In furtherance of the foregoing, and as an example and not as a limitation, you agree not to use the Service in order to:

    post, upload, transmit or otherwise disseminate information that is obscene, indecent, vulgar, pornographic, sexual or otherwise objectionable;

 

"Objectionable" is a loaded term here; you'll have people claiming that anything they object to is objectionable, and they'll be right.

 

 

No, they won't be right unless they actually are right. There is tone set by the language "obscene, indecent, vulgar, pornographic, sexual" that gives a pretty clear indication of what might fall under the 'or otherwise objectionable' definition. Is there some wiggle room there? Yes, but it's intentional. It has to be, for reasons that have already been discussed in this thread.

 

    attempt to obtain passwords or other private information from other members;

 

"I can't ask you for your phone number, but if you want to volunteer it..." I understand the thinking here but I'm not sure this is the best phrasing.

 

 

Your example is still an attempt to obtain that persons phone number. Whether you ask for it, demand it, imply that it would be in their best interest to share it, try to trick them into giving it to you, or send them a clever haiku about it, you are still attempting to obtain another users personal information. I don't see any loophole here.

 

      ( b )  for gathering in-game virtual, items or resources for sale outside the Game, other than allowed by Art+Craft;

 

I think "other than allowed" should probably be "other than as allowed." Even then this communicates nothing useful. What ways are allowed? Also, this looks like a sharp pivot from your previous stance that you would make no effort to prevent out-of-game sale of Crowfall digital assets as long as such sales were not advertised through your service.

 

 

The ways that are allowed are probably not set in stone yet, and is information we will get in the future. And there is a difference between 'not making an effort' to prevent something versus 'something not being allowed'. They aren't going to make an effort to prevent out-of-game sales of Crowfall digital assets because they aren't the NSA and simply don't have the manpower, time, or money to make any meaningful effort to do so. But it's still not allowed, and if they can catch someone participating in these transactions, they want to be able to take action against them.

 

 

I more or less agree with the rest of your post.

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P.S. You forbid communication about macroing/cheating programs but nowhere do you actually forbid their use. You should add language either to this document or the in-game document forbidding the use of any computer program, script, or expert system to interact with the game service to control a game character or otherwise act in place of a human player; any modification of active game data in memory except via normal interaction with the authorized client, and so forth.

 

exploit, distribute or publicly inform other members of any game error, miscue or bug which gives an unintended advantage;

 

 

develop, distribute, or publicly inform other members of "auto" software programs, "macro" software programs or other "cheat utility" software programs or applications in violation of the applicable Terms;

 

 

exploit the Game (or any part thereof) or any of the other Art+Craft Services, for any commercial purpose, including without limitation ( a ) use at a cyber cafe, computer gaming center or any other location-based site; ( b )  for gathering in-game virtual, items or resources for sale outside the Game, other than allowed by Art+Craft; or ( c ) performing in-game services in exchange for payment outside the Game;

 

 

 

Three separate entry's deal with exploiting. Pretty sure those cover their use as well.

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    real-world threats of any kind against others will lead to disciplinary actions;

 

Also, this clause uniquely places a duty on ACE to enforce this term by committing that an offense "will" lead to action, potentially creating a cause of action enabling a user to sue ACE if you fail to perform as committed. This is almost certainly a bad idea.

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    improperly use support channels or complaint buttons to make false reports to Art+Craft;

 

Add text here to forbid spamming the queue with multiples of the same report or with gibberish reports.

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    impersonate another person (including celebrities), indicate falsely or misleadingly that you are an Art+Craft employee or a representative of Art+Craft or any of Art+Craft’s partners or affiliates;

 

This needs to be worded much more carefully or it will be read to forbid impersonation of Crowfall community personalities. If someone wants to try to pretend to be Jihan he should be free to make the attempt.

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    develop, distribute, or publicly inform other members of "auto" software programs, "macro" software programs or other "cheat utility" software programs or applications in violation of the applicable Terms;

 

Remember that the context of this list is "You agree not to use the service in order to:" Nobody is going to use the service to develop a cheat program. Also, you'll need a policy clarification on this detailing exactly where you draw the line between smart keyboards and illegal macro programs.

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    attempt to interfere with, hack into or decipher any transmissions to or from the servers for any of the Art+Craft Services;

 

"hack into a transmission" has no legal or technical meaning. Did you mean "intercept"? Or perhaps "rewrite"?

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      ( b )  for gathering in-game virtual, items or resources for sale outside the Game, other than allowed by Art+Craft;

 

I think "other than allowed" should probably be "other than as allowed." Even then this communicates nothing useful. What ways are allowed? Also, this looks like a sharp pivot from your previous stance that you would make no effort to prevent out-of-game sale of Crowfall digital assets as long as such sales were not advertised through your service.

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    interfere with the ability of others to enjoy using an Art+Craft Service or take actions outside of normal game mechanics that

interfere with or materially increase the cost to provide the Art+Craft Service for the enjoyment of all its users;

 

Killing me interferes with my ability to enjoy the service! I know you're using "enjoy" as a term of art here, but it might be better to simplify  "enjoy using" to "use".

 

Very interesting review that you've done there Jihan. I think that some of the corrections you suggested, particularly the ones quoted above, may prevent headache to ACE employees in the future.

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Three separate entry's deal with exploiting. Pretty sure those cover their use as well.

 

Afaik they don't mention that the personal use of macroing/cheating programs is forbidden. I think that's what Jihan was reporting.

 

First quote talks about error, miscue or bug, second quote is about developing, distributing, or publicly informing, and third quote is about exploiting the game for commercial purpose.

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I appreciate the analysis and suggestions folks!  I'll be doing some edits to the starting document this weekend to hopefully clarify some things and fill in a few holes.


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you agree not to use the Service in order to make real-world threats of any kind against others will lead to disciplinary actions;

 

Ending this sentence with "will lead to disciplinary action" is still a grammatical and policy mistake.

use, develop, distribute, or publicly inform other members of "auto" software programs, "macro" software programs or other "cheat utility" software programs or applications except as explicitly sanctioned by Art+Craft,  

 

A hex editor is not a "cheat utility" but can be used to cheat; this language should be expanded to forbid cheating and not just use of cheat software.

exploit the Game (or any part thereof) or any of the other Art+Craft Services, for any commercial purpose, including without limitation ( a ) use at a cyber cafe, computer gaming center or any other commercial location-based site; ( b )  for gathering in-game virtual, items or resources for sale outside the Game, other than as allowed by Art+Craft; or ( c ) performing in-game services in exchange for payment outside the Game;

 

I'd still like some clarification about exactly what kinds of RMT-based behaviors ACE does or does not intend to forbid. What does "as allowed by ArtCraft" mean and what kinds of gathering for sale are NOT allowed? What purpose does section C serve if I can just take payment in VIP and sell it? How is it bad for ACE if I log into my CF account from Battle&Brew instead of playing at home? Can you describe at an abstract level what you're trying to accomplish, and let us help you find language to document that intention?

post any messages to, or otherwise attempt via any of the Art+Craft Services (or otherwise) to trade or sell physical or digital Merchandise, such as characters, “resources,” Game credits or other accrued Game benefits offered by Art+Craft for real-world currencies, except where specifically allowed by Art+Craft;

 

This suggests that ACE intends or is considering opening a forum where RMT negotiations are permitted ("except where specifically allowed"). Confirm/deny? Is directing players who express an interest in RMT commerce to the ACE forum or to a third party market venue permissible activity? Or are we going to be seeing a lot of things like "selling accounts is permitted but you can't offer to buy or sell in public chat. On a completely unrelated note, have you heard about thedregs.net?" 


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you agree not to use the Service in order to make real-world threats of any kind against others will lead to disciplinary actions;

 

Ending this sentence with "will lead to disciplinary action" is still a grammatical and policy mistake.

 

use, develop, distribute, or publicly inform other members of "auto" software programs, "macro" software programs or other "cheat utility" software programs or applications except as explicitly sanctioned by Art+Craft,  

 

A hex editor is not a "cheat utility" but can be used to cheat; this language should be expanded to forbid cheating and not just use of cheat software.

 

exploit the Game (or any part thereof) or any of the other Art+Craft Services, for any commercial purpose, including without limitation ( a ) use at a cyber cafe, computer gaming center or any other commercial location-based site; ( b )  for gathering in-game virtual, items or resources for sale outside the Game, other than as allowed by Art+Craft; or ( c ) performing in-game services in exchange for payment outside the Game;

 

I'd still like some clarification about exactly what kinds of RMT-based behaviors ACE does or does not intend to forbid. What does "as allowed by ArtCraft" mean and what kinds of gathering for sale are NOT allowed? What purpose does section C serve if I can just take payment in VIP and sell it? How is it bad for ACE if I log into my CF account from Battle&Brew instead of playing at home? Can you describe at an abstract level what you're trying to accomplish, and let us help you find language to document that intention?

post any messages to, or otherwise attempt via any of the Art+Craft Services (or otherwise) to trade or sell physical or digital Merchandise, such as characters, “resources,” Game credits or other accrued Game benefits offered by Art+Craft for real-world currencies, except where specifically allowed by Art+Craft;

 

This suggests that ACE intends or is considering opening a forum where RMT negotiations are permitted ("except where specifically allowed"). Confirm/deny? Is directing players who express an interest in RMT commerce to the ACE forum or to a third party market venue permissible activity? Or are we going to be seeing a lot of things like "selling accounts is permitted but you can't offer to buy or sell in public chat. On a completely unrelated note, have you heard about thedregs.net?" 

 

1) We have no choice on real-world threats, if we are appraised of them we must act against the account and likely have to contact law enforcement.

 

2) What's your suggestion on cheating language?  Modifying the client in any wayshould be against the rules.  Modifying the data streams is already not allowed.

 

3) >( a ) use at a cyber cafe, computer gaming center or any other commercial location-based site  The goal here is avoid accounts used by multiple people, accounts should be individual, agree this could be far better worded to avoid confusion

 

4) We do expect there will be RMT going on (have you ever seen a game stop RMT if there are tradeable items?), but we won't allow it via our rules.  It *always* causes inordinate amounts of customer service work.  So buyer beware, and don't come to us complaining when RMT transactions go bad because you broke the rules to do it. 

 

We are interested in exploring reseller programs and potentially supporting secondary markets (for retired items that we no longer sell), which is why we are leaving it open in the language. 

 

P.S. thanks for all the help!


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RULES OF CONDUCT version 1.1 7/29/2015

 

Art+Craft Entertainment, Inc.

General Rules of Conduct

The Art+Craft Entertainment, Inc. service, hereinafter "Art+Craft", may provide communication channels such as forums, private messages, communities, in-game chat/messaging, chat areas and/or any other means of players communicating with each other within the Art+Craft Service ("Communication Channels")designed to enable you to communicate with other Service users. Art+Craft has no obligation to monitor these communication channels, but may do so. Art+Craft also reserves the right to review materials posted to the Communication Channels, and to remove any materials, at any time, with or without notice for any reason, at its sole discretion.

 

Art+Craft may also terminate or suspend an accounts access to any Communication Channels, at any time, without prior notice, for any reason. The account will be notified of any action related to terminating or suspending access via the email associated with the account. You acknowledge that chats, postings, or materials posted by users on the Communication Channels are neither endorsed nor controlled by Art+Craft, and these communications should not be considered reviewed or approved by Art+Craft. Art+Craft will not under any circumstances be liable for any activity within Communication Channels.

 

You agree that all of your communications within the Communication Channels are public, and thus you have no expectation of privacy regarding your use of said channels. Art+Craft is not responsible for information that you choose to share on the Communication Channels or for the actions of other users.

 

You agree that your use of the Service shall be lawful and that you will comply with Art+Craft's usage rules. In accordance with the above, as an example, and not as a limitation, you agree not to use the Service in order to:

 

  • Post, upload, transmit or otherwise disseminate information that is obscene, indecent, vulgar, pornographic, sexual or otherwise objectionable.
  • Defame, libel, ridicule, mock, stalk, threaten, harass, intimidate or abuse anyone, hatefully, racially, ethnically or, in a reasonable person's view, otherwise offensive or objectionable.
  • Making real-world threats of any kind, against others, will lead to disciplinary actions.
  • Use the service to discuss anything about real-world politics or religion.
  • Upload, transmit or link to (or attempt to upload, transmit or link to) files or sites that contain viruses, trojan horses, worms, time bombs, bots, scripts, corrupted files or data, or any other similar software or programs that may damage the operation of the Service or other users' computers.
  • Violate the contractual, personal, intellectual property or other rights of any party including using, uploading, transmitting, distributing, or otherwise making available any information made available through the Service in any manner that infringes any copyright, trademark, patent, trade secret, or other right of any party (including rights of privacy or publicity).
  • Attempt to obtain passwords and/or other account-related information from other members.
  • Disrupt the flow of chat, in chat rooms, with vulgar language, abusiveness, hitting the return key repeatedly or inputting large images so the screen goes by too fast to read, use of excessive shouting (all caps) in an attempt to disturb other users, “spamming” or flooding (posting repetitive text) or use of any other methods to disrupt the flow of chat in chat rooms.
  • Improperly use support channels or in game help options to make false reports to Art+Craft.
  • Impersonate, indicate falsely or misleadingly that you are an Art+Craft employee or a representative of Art+Craft or any of Art+Craft’s partners or affiliates.
  • Post messages for any purpose other than personal communication, up to and including: commercial advertising, promotional messaging, referral codes, chain letters, pyramid schemes, or other commercial activities.
  • Promote any product or service which is not directly related to or sanctioned by Art+Craft or the Crowfall Service.
  • Use, develop, distribute, or publicly inform other members of "auto" software programs, "macro" software programs or other "cheat utility" software programs or applications except as explicitly sanctioned by Art+Craft.
  • Exploit, distribute or publicly inform other members of any game error, miscue or bug which gives an unintended advantage.
  • Post or communicate any other user’s real-world personal information or likeness (including images or video) using any of the Art+Craft Services.
  • Attempt to interfere with, hack into or decipher any transmissions to or from the servers for any of the Art+Craft Services.
  • Exploit the game or any of the other Art+Craft Services, for any commercial purpose, including without limitation ( a ) use at a cyber cafe, computer gaming center or any other commercial location-based site. ( b )  For acquiring in-game virtual items or resources for sale outside of the game, other than as allowed by Art+Craft. Or ( c ) performing in-game services in exchange for payment outside the Game.
  • Post any messages to, or otherwise attempt via any of the Art+Craft Services (or otherwise) to trade or sell physical or digital Merchandise, such as characters, resources, game credits or other accrued game benefits offered by Art+Craft for real-world currencies, except where specifically allowed by Art+Craft.
  • Interfere with the ability of others to enjoy using an Art+Craft Service or take actions outside of normal game mechanics that interfere with or materially increase the cost to provide the Art+Craft Service for the enjoyment of all its users.
  • Threaten legal action of any kind against Art+Craft or discussing legal actions of any type in any Communication Channel.  Anything related to legal issues or action should be sent via email to support@artcraftent.com.
  • Violate any applicable laws or regulations, or promote or encourage any illegal activity including, but not limited to, hacking, cracking or distribution of counterfeit software, or cheats or hacks for the Service.

 

 

I made a few grammatical changes that I thought made more sense. I am not perfect of course, so don't judge too harshly.

Edited by Lamdred

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1) We have no choice on real-world threats, if we are appraised of them we must act against the account and likely have to contact law enforcement.

 

2) What's your suggestion on cheating language?  Modifying the client in any wayshould be against the rules.  Modifying the data streams is already not allowed.

 

3) >( a ) use at a cyber cafe, computer gaming center or any other commercial location-based site  The goal here is avoid accounts used by multiple people, accounts should be individual, agree this could be far better worded to avoid confusion

 

4) We do expect there will be RMT going on (have you ever seen a game stop RMT if there are tradeable items?), but we won't allow it via our rules.  It *always* causes inordinate amounts of customer service work.  So buyer beware, and don't come to us complaining when RMT transactions go bad because you broke the rules to do it. 

 

We are interested in exploring reseller programs and potentially supporting secondary markets (for retired items that we no longer sell), which is why we are leaving it open in the language. 

 

P.S. thanks for all the help!

 

1) Removing "will lead to disciplinary actions" from the CoC does not preclude you from doing whatever you need to do. However, including that language creates additional exposure if you fail to act as promised, or if someone wants to argue that you acted but not effectively. You're handing someone a stick to beat you with and not gaining anything thereby. Also, it's grammatically incompatible with the rest of the sentence; if you're convinced you want to say this you need to recast the phrasing.

 

2) you agree not to: Modify or decrypt, or use modified or decrypted game data, including client code, game data files, or live game data in memory or in transit, by any means other than normal gameplay interaction with the authorized game client or as specifically authorized by Art+Craft, or to create or use any program other than an authorized client to interact with the game servers, or otherwise use any non-gameplay technical means to access game capabilities unavailable to legitimate players.

 

3) If you want to ban use of an account by multiple players, the easiest thing to do is just say exactly that.

 

4) If your position is "we are likely to suspend or ban you if we find out you are engaging in RMT", that's one thing. If your position is "we do not support RMT and caveat emptor", that's not at all the same thing. Your CoC says the former but your personal statements on the subject say the latter; it's not possible to reconcile these statements while taking the terms of the CoC seriously. Putting things in the CoC that you intend to turn a blind eye to degrades respect for the rest of the document.


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4) If your position is "we are likely to suspend or ban you if we find out you are engaging in RMT", that's one thing. If your position is "we do not support RMT and caveat emptor", that's not at all the same thing. Your CoC says the former but your personal statements on the subject say the latter; it's not possible to reconcile these statements while taking the terms of the CoC seriously. Putting things in the CoC that you intend to turn a blind eye to degrades respect for the rest of the document.

 

If it's bought to our attention, it would be breaking the rules and something we'd act on.  If you get screwed over in an RMT transaction there is no recourse with ArtCraft, other than getting action against your account for breaking the rules should someone directly admit this to us. 

 

Some folks are going to ignore this rule and get burned.  I guess I was raised around folks who weren't shy about saying "I wouldn't do that if I was you", or "be careful if you are adamant about doing that".

 

P.S. Thanks for the all the thoughtful feedback again!


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More slight edits added.  Thanks to @Lamdred and @Jihan again!

 

P.S. We've been working on the naming designs (characters, guilds, etc...), and I think we'll be adding the naming rules to the general ROC when that is finalized, given names are used in both forums and in-game.


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Consider these two sentences, and try to imagine your favorite high-school English teacher discussing them:

 

"You agree not to use the Service in order to making real-world threats of any kind, against others, may lead to disciplinary actions."

"You agree not to use the Service in order to make real-world threats of any kind against others; this may lead to disciplinary actions."

 

I still maintain that "this may lead to disciplinary actions" is implicit in the entire idea of a code of conduct, and that by specifically pointing that out in this one clause you are somewhat implying that that's not the case for any other clause.


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Consider these two sentences, and try to imagine your favorite high-school English teacher discussing them:

 

"You agree not to use the Service in order to making real-world threats of any kind, against others, may lead to disciplinary actions."

 

"You agree not to use the Service in order to make real-world threats of any kind against others; this may lead to disciplinary actions."

 

I still maintain that "this may lead to disciplinary actions" is implicit in the entire idea of a code of conduct, and that by specifically pointing that out in this one clause you are somewhat implying that that's not the case for any other clause.

 

Good points, will catch them in the next edit.  Thanks!

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  • Exploit the game or any of the other Art+Craft Services, for any commercial purpose, including without limitation (a) commercial use at a cyber cafe, computer gaming center or any other commercial location-based site, without an explicit license from Art+Craft. ( B)  For acquiring in-game virtual items or resources for sale outside of the game, other than as allowed by Art+Craft. Or © performing in-game services in exchange for payment outside the game.

 

 

Not sure why there is a smiley face for B and a copyright symbol for C in this paragraph.

 

Also, may want to go back through and make sure all of the underlines are taken out, and alternate font is changed unless you mean for them to be there.

Edited by Lamdred

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