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A contemplation for all SB veterans

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22 hours ago, vandarr said:

It's weird how one person who admittedly played for 6 weeks thinks he knows more than the people who played the same six weeks - and for years afterwards.

I've already barked up that tree and he won't say anything about who he played with, what server, how long he played. Just that he played when the game was "the most competitive," He's a nobody in Shadowbane so regard him as such.

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On 6/18/2017 at 1:24 AM, VIKINGNAIL said:

Well I don't know where this 6 week number came from, but I played it for months, and then most of the population quit the game because it was not a good game.  The end.

It's weird how the people that dominated it when it was most populated were able to go on and find success in many other more competitive games, while the ones that glorified the game as some pvp masterpiece were never able to excel in more competitive games.  Weird...

Well, let's see.... One of your former identities stated that you quit during E3, which was 46ish days into live - or six weeks. Alternatively, you state that you were in the R30's, and never lost a 10v10 or a seige. R30s lost a tree no later than 9th June, 2003 - which is all of 78 days into live (note that this doesn't include the loss when you failed to burn the other tree off the map). So, you played between 46 days or 78 days - per your own admission. 6-10 weeks of experience.

I'd accuse you of Calimath, but you didn't play long enough nor were relevant enough to know what that means.

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30 minutes ago, vandarr said:

Well, let's see.... One of your former identities stated that you quit during E3, which was 46ish days into live - or six weeks. Alternatively, you state that you were in the R30's, and never lost a 10v10 or a seige. R30s lost a tree no later than 9th June, 2003 - which is all of 78 days into live (note that this doesn't include the loss when you failed to burn the other tree off the map). So, you played between 46 days or 78 days - per your own admission. 6-10 weeks of experience.

I'd accuse you of Calimath, but you didn't play long enough nor were relevant enough to know what that means.

Have proof that I stated I quit during "e3"?  Also I have actually stated that I never lost a 10v10 fight night, as well as any battle in general.  Also stated that my guild was begged by other nations to play on other servers after scorn. 

So you are just a well of misinformation.

I'd rather you attribute things I actually said to me, instead of conjuring up all sorts of weird assumptions and then playing them off as actual facts or "statements" that I've made. 

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1 hour ago, VIKINGNAIL said:

Have proof that I stated I quit during "e3"?  Also I have actually stated that I never lost a 10v10 fight night, as well as any battle in general.  Also stated that my guild was begged by other nations to play on other servers after scorn. 

So you are just a well of misinformation.

I'd rather you attribute things I actually said to me, instead of conjuring up all sorts of weird assumptions and then playing them off as actual facts or "statements" that I've made. 

Offer one single piece of proof to back your claims.

Through your posting history, you are basically stating that, "I played longer than 78 days in a nation that lost two trees during that time but never lost a fight." The conclusion is that either you weren't competitive enough to log in and defend your trees, or that you are representing a false narrative and attempting to obfuscate the raw numbers in order to try and lord your epeen over those you see as your inferiors. The problem is that you have refused to provide a single scintilla of evidence to back up any statement you have made in regards to your gaming prowess.

I, on the other hand, through years of shared gaming experiences, have shown the readers of this forum my admitted incompetence to do anything but call people out on basic math skills. I can own who I am.

Calimath, indeed.

 


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44 minutes ago, vandarr said:

Offer one single piece of proof to back your claims.

Through your posting history, you are basically stating that, "I played longer than 78 days in a nation that lost two trees during that time but never lost a fight." The conclusion is that either you weren't competitive enough to log in and defend your trees, or that you are representing a false narrative and attempting to obfuscate the raw numbers in order to try and lord your epeen over those you see as your inferiors. The problem is that you have refused to provide a single scintilla of evidence to back up any statement you have made in regards to your gaming prowess.

I, on the other hand, through years of shared gaming experiences, have shown the readers of this forum my admitted incompetence to do anything but call people out on basic math skills. I can own who I am.

Calimath, indeed.

 

I can state what I state and they are facts.  I can state your position accurately.  All you seem to have are assumptions and misrepresentations of anything I've ever said.

So again, provide proof that I said I only played until e3 (A ridiculous claim I have never even come close to making) or just go on believing your made up narrative.  Either way it doesn't change the FACTS. 

Your conclusion fits your inaccurate narrative made off of random assumptions completely unrelated to anything I've ever actually said.  The reality however does not match.  Shadowbane was objectively a slow game, it had a low skill-ceiling, and a lot of people seek out better competition and games that require more skill.  Most of the shadowbane playerbase left within a few months of launch.  The game was not optimized, it crashed frequently, and had a low skill-ceiling.  I am sorry some people aren't interested in that experience.

It would sure be a heck of a lot more interesting if the people who stayed glued to shadowbane had ever found success in games with high skill-ceiling.  They'd have a lot more credibility then.

As it stands now most are just trying to prop up their favorite gaming experience as something that it wasn't, so they can convince themselves that they played the ultimate pvp game.  Which of course pretty much every passionate gamer does with their favorite game. 

If people want to laud shadowbane for its character building and concepts, and hope crowfall adopts some of those, then that's fine.  If they want to pretend shadowbane had a high skill-ceiling and want crowfall to adopt that slow speed of combat just so that they can keep up with everyone else, no thanks.  Crowfall should require way more skill than shadowbane did, and if it doesn't it will probably fail, because at that point it is making a 2003 game in 2017, and not a particularly successful 2003 game at that. 

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You`re off topic @VIKINGNAIL - this thread has nothing to do what u think about SB since you barely participated in the game since original SB servers were live from (2003-2009). But one thing is certain I`m glad we will not have meaningless pvp in CF as you see in other mmos, and ACE saved money to remove some archetypes, and without item quests and voice acting.  And one of the reason that wow had success is the huge content of PvE and lore. And most companies evaluate success in an mmo based mainly on the economy reasoning - and the total amount of active players who have played it.. But truth is @VN - most of the time sink in wow is related to questing and heavy PvE oirented content.

And I guess that`s why u pay any attention to the CF project and you have 5.6k posts here - that`s 1k more posts than me on a sport Rangers forum, @VN, :) Because PvE players don`t like losing items in pvp - and they hate the word pvp and since the old Felluca days on UO, but personally I don`t mind if they like to play in their EK farming mobs for resources to be kind of a crafter in Crowfall, sure why not, but if they join a dreg campaign they need adapt to the world ruleset, but some of them have already complained on the forum with unfair 1v3 events in pvp while they are harvesting resources.

 

 

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29 minutes ago, mythx said:

You`re off topic @VIKINGNAIL - this thread has nothing to do what u think about SB since you barely participated in the game since original SB servers were live from (2003-2009). But one thing is certain I`m glad we will not have meaningless pvp in CF as you see in other mmos, and ACE saved money to remove some archetypes, and without item quests and voice acting.  And one of the reason that wow had success is the huge content of PvE and lore. And most companies evaluate success in an mmo based mainly on the economy reasoning - and the total amount of active players who have played it.. But truth is @VN - most of the time sink in wow is related to questing and heavy PvE oirented content.

And I guess that`s why u pay any attention to the CF project and you have 5.6k posts here - that`s 1k more posts than me on a sport Rangers forum, @VN, :) Because PvE players don`t like losing items in pvp - and they hate the word pvp and since the old Felluca days on UO, but personally I don`t mind if they like to play in their EK farming mobs for resources to be kind of a crafter in Crowfall, sure why not, but if they join a dreg campaign they need adapt to the world ruleset, but some of them have already complained on the forum with unfair 1v3 events in pvp while they are harvesting resources.

 

 

Well I am more old school then most of the people who call themselves SB vets.  They basically were hooked on a game that was a shell of itself after a few months. 

As far as my posts, I am here to be a voice for the hardcore pvpers, trying to consistently preach the message and make crowfall leave a little room for hardcore players instead of making everything easy and soft and giving it no meaning.


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Alright, but now u discuss item drops on death, sure u will see different opinions on that particular topic, and most enjoy inventory drop only like in SB, because the game is about PvP, and if you spend more time harvesting resources like in Ark to craft lost items and major disc. runes in CF - u will get less valuable overall time in Crowfall to actually PvP - which is the main aspect of the game.

The word meaningful I sometimes use here on this forum is mainly about combat and PvP in a much larger scale, and when we fight for something like your castle, village, outpost, or a resource mine - to expand your nation territories/land, or to defend and escort a valuable cart of resources back to your home village.  

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37 minutes ago, VIKINGNAIL said:

As far as my posts, I am here to be a voice for the hardcore pvpers, trying to consistently preach the message and make crowfall leave a little room for hardcore players instead of making everything easy and soft and giving it no meaning.

You need explain your concern in more details than that even though it`s off topic - maybe you should create an own topic about it. I will gladly join the discussion, because the forum activity is very low at the moment.  

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19 hours ago, VIKINGNAIL said:

I can state what I state and they are facts.

So you don't have any proof? Because we have a forum full of Shadowbane vets and not a single person knows who you are despite being this self-proclaimed legendary player in a legendary guild.

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2 hours ago, Colest said:

So you don't have any proof? Because we have a forum full of Shadowbane vets and not a single person knows who you are despite being this self-proclaimed legendary player in a legendary guild.

But that's kind of the point, these people aren't the old school shadowbane vets.  They are the people that found success after most of the playerbase quit the game.  It's really not debatable how dominant my guild was, everyone that played that era knew of us, nations from other servers were begging us to come play for them, some offering RL money.  I wouldn't need to prove myself to people who couldn't identify which guild that is, because the inability to do so just tells me they weren't around when the game was at its most competitive and populated. 

Lebron can go hang out and reminisce with Kobe if Kobe shows up, but Lebron doesn't need to prove himself to Brian Scalabrine. 


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28 minutes ago, VIKINGNAIL said:

But that's kind of the point, these people aren't the old school shadowbane vets.  They are the people that found success after most of the playerbase quit the game.  It's really not debatable how dominant my guild was, everyone that played that era knew of us, nations from other servers were begging us to come play for them, some offering RL money.  I wouldn't need to prove myself to people who couldn't identify which guild that is, because the inability to do so just tells me they weren't around when the game was at its most competitive and populated. 

Lebron can go hang out and reminisce with Kobe if Kobe shows up, but Lebron doesn't need to prove himself to Brian Scalabrine. 

A simple "no" would have sufficed. Let me know when you can fabricate some proof that walks all this talking you do. Until then, expect to be ridiculed here, especially when you brag about the competitiveness of WoW.

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2 minutes ago, Colest said:

A simple "no" would have sufficed. Let me know when you can fabricate some proof that walks all this talking you do. Until then, expect to be ridiculed here, especially when you brag about the competitiveness of WoW.

I'm not sure people that never found success in any competitive games are going to be that effective at ridiculing anything?

Also basically the most easy test for someone's grasp of pvp, especially mmorpg pvp, is how they perceive WoW.  Generally the ones that can't hang in WoW are the ones that try to downplay it.  It is the standard, it is literally the most competitive mmorpg to date, competing vs millions of players. 

It's no accident that top WoW players can find success across many esports genres.  It's also no accident that players that could only find success in shadowbane after most of the players left seem to have trouble finding success in bigger competitive games. 

True competitors seek out competition. 

 


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14 minutes ago, VIKINGNAIL said:

I'm not sure people that never found success in any competitive games are going to be that effective at ridiculing anything?

And yet it appears you seem to care about the opinions of these "casual dregs." You have quite a few replies in this thread, most threads in this subforum (or any subforum for that matter) and you feel compelled to keep telling people about yourself and how hardcore you are. If you didn't care you wouldn't respond. But let's expand it then. Post proof of any of your "esports" accomplishments. Surely you have at least something to verify your claims. It's not like someone would just get on the internet and lie about their successes.

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1 hour ago, Colest said:

And yet it appears you seem to care about the opinions of these "casual dregs." You have quite a few replies in this thread, most threads in this subforum (or any subforum for that matter) and you feel compelled to keep telling people about yourself and how hardcore you are. If you didn't care you wouldn't respond. But let's expand it then. Post proof of any of your "esports" accomplishments. Surely you have at least something to verify your claims. It's not like someone would just get on the internet and lie about their successes.

It's more like people care more about referencing me like I am Baba Yaga, and I come in to add a little truth to the matter. 

Again, I do not need to prove myself.  As Lebron does not need to prove himself.  The people that need to prove themselves, at least relative to the ability to evaluate skill and participate in skillful things, are the ones that have not found success in highly competitive PvP games. 

Obviously they don't actually need to prove themselves, life goes on outside of games, but it is something worth pointing out when someone is inexperienced with a subject they are trying to assert an opinion on. 

I see a lot of SB nostalgia type threads, or SB veterans, etc etc.  I like adding clarity to some of these threads, as one of the most old school SB players, because people seem to remember the game with rose-tinted goggles.

As to the nature of this thread, it was a call to arms for the idea of forging some sort of sb veteran alliance to compete against modern guilds.  As you will see reading through the thread, a lot of the contributors have since become very inactive.

If there is to be some sort of successful SB alliance, it is not going to be forged by people without the intestinal fortitude to handle the ebbs and flows of modern gaming.  It is going to be forged by the people that were actually able to move on and excel in competitive gaming, the ones that actually have experience with what modern gaming is. 


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2 hours ago, VIKINGNAIL said:

But that's kind of the point, these people aren't the old school shadowbane vets.  They are the people that found success after most of the playerbase quit the game.  It's really not debatable how dominant my guild was, everyone that played that era knew of us, nations from other servers were begging us to come play for them, some offering RL money.  I wouldn't need to prove myself to people who couldn't identify which guild that is, because the inability to do so just tells me they weren't around when the game was at its most competitive and populated. 

Lebron can go hang out and reminisce with Kobe if Kobe shows up, but Lebron doesn't need to prove himself to Brian Scalabrine. 

Lebron and Kobe wouldn't hang out, because each one is driven to prove that he is the best. If you were at the "table of champions", you would know that it's a table for one, because much like the highlander, there can be only one.

For someone who continually states that you have nothing to prove, you certainly try hard to prove yourself to us.

Character info/Guild/Gamer Tag of games you dominated in?


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36 minutes ago, vandarr said:

Lebron and Kobe wouldn't hang out, because each one is driven to prove that he is the best. If you were at the "table of champions", you would know that it's a table for one, because much like the highlander, there can be only one.

For someone who continually states that you have nothing to prove, you certainly try hard to prove yourself to us.

Character info/Guild/Gamer Tag of games you dominated in?

Lebron and Kobe are friends.  Also I am not the one that constantly mentions me in random threads that I am not even participating in.  I rarely name drop other players cause they aren't relevant to me, but man do I get name dropped a lot. 


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It`s obvious to me that you don`t feel included by the word use of SB veterans in this topic, @VIKINGNAIL Did u zerg in the early days of SB and claimed victory? And some guilds were doing exactly that due to severe lag issues in the early days with hardware limitations on our pc back in 2003. 

Maybe it`s a hard feeling when you wasted years with quest fetching and PvE raid content for legendary items in wow.. I really don`t know with you.. You`ve mentioned and used similar sentences here since 2015. I was active in SB since the beginning and until the very end in 2009 with many familiar guilds and forum nicks here since I also participate in sb.emu for a brief while to help and re-create the fun and game content we had in the old SB game with Xemise among others I don`t remember. And it lasted for a while, then another emulator was created at magic bane who was more true to the latest patch from the original SB game. 

Anyway, I need a breakfast. :)

 

 


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1 hour ago, mythx said:

It`s obvious to me that you don`t feel included by the word use of SB veterans in this topic, @VIKINGNAIL Did u zerg in the early days of SB and claimed victory? And some guilds were doing exactly that due to severe lag issues in the early days with hardware limitations on our pc back in 2003. 

Maybe it`s a hard feeling when you wasted years with quest fetching and PvE raid content for legendary items in wow.. I really don`t know with you.. You`ve mentioned and used similar sentences here since 2015. I was active in SB since the beginning and until the very end in 2009 with many familiar guilds and forum nicks here since I also participate in sb.emu for a brief while to help and re-create the fun and game content we had in the old SB game with Xemise among others I don`t remember. And it lasted for a while, then another emulator was created at magic bane who was more true to the latest patch from the original SB game. 

Anyway, I need a breakfast. :)

 

 

No, my guild was literally undefeated in battles of any number, we won every single beta and live event 10vs10 fight night that was available to us, we've won 10vs150+ , we did everything the game had to offer, when it was at its most competitive and populated.

It's not that I don't feel included in SB veterans, I simply am here to correct what the game actually was vs what some people imagine it was (relative to other games and to crowfall).

Also WoW competitive PvP took way more skill than anything SB had to offer, many times over.  Let's hope crowfall can at least compete with the standard that is WoW.


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It was barely playable state in the very beginning @VN - at least if u met and fought CN chinese horde on some of the old SB servers based on hardware limitations. The game did not handle large amount of players very well without huge lag pockets. But in a less combat scale the game become more interesting some years into the game development with their expansion. 

 


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