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16 minutes ago, vandarr said:

Who?

Some of their players had both? :) I've seen neither from you in nearly 5k posts.

You realize the thread still exists, right? Like here.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

After that, you declared "victory" and bailed on the conversation.

To which I asked:

and you responded with a bunch of "table of champions" garbage with no data elements to back up your claims.

By the way, I believe your pants are on fire.

 

I'm sorry but you've simply lost.  As it was explained before, shadowbane sold a ton of copies, after the free month of sub the service got hacked, the game was buggy and crashed constantly, and it lost most of its players.  Like I've said before, like is fact.  That's why it only had 50k subs later on, when it sold 200k copies.

You really should stop ignoring history in favor of a biased narrative you've created.

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Today I learned that citing sales reports, industry-referenced figures, and investor meetings is "ignoring history in favor of a biased narrative."

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21 hours ago, VIKINGNAIL said:

I'm sorry but you've simply lost.  As it was explained before, shadowbane sold a ton of copies, after the free month of sub the service got hacked, the game was buggy and crashed constantly, and it lost most of its players.  Like I've said before, like is fact.  That's why it only had 50k subs later on, when it sold 200k copies.

You really should stop ignoring history in favor of a biased narrative you've created.

It's funny how you judge a game you never played. You heard a few facts and you grossly exxagerate them to try proving that SB players here have no rights to tell their own story on how they experienced SB ? On how this game was absolutly amazing ? You better come up with something more solid than some weak psychological projections and tricks.

You're like someone who never went to Vietnam telling Vietnam veterans they are totally mistaken on how they experienced that war.

You're a virgin acting like Doctor Ruth.

You're empty.

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37 minutes ago, Belantis said:

It's funny how you judge a game you never played. You heard a few facts and you grossly exxagerate them to try proving that SB players here have no rights to tell their own story on how they experienced SB ? On how this game was absolutly amazing ? You better come up with something more solid than some weak psychological projections and tricks.

You're like someone who never went to Vietnam telling Vietnam veterans they are totally mistaken on how they experienced that war.

You're a virgin acting like Doctor Ruth.

You're empty.

Not only did I play, I dominated SB at its most competitive.  What's funny is seeing people that weren't even dominant at a game try to tell a dominant player how it actually was as they sit there attempting to distort facts and look back with rose-tinted goggles at a game that didn't function properly at all as a release product. 

But it's the same old point.  If SB was so amazing and the players that believe that were so talented at gaming, why weren't they able to find success in more competitive games?

People can tell their "stories" but their stories may not be objective.  It's not uncommon for people to try and glorify things they think they were good at.  In this case with SB though, most of these "veterans" came late to the SB party and don't realize there were much better players than them that left because the game was not great, for a multitude of reasons.  

It's honestly funny just seeing what a warped narrative people come up with when faced with the facts. 

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3 minutes ago, VIKINGNAIL said:

Not only did I play, I dominated SB at its most competitive.  What's funny is seeing people that weren't even dominant at a game try to tell a dominant player how it actually was as they sit there attempting to distort facts and look back with rose-tinted goggles at a game that didn't function properly at all as a release product. 

So you played SB for a few month, claimed to have won the game but actually got crushed and blaimed it on dupes and hacks. You sound like a sore loser to me.

Also, I have never seen you in CF, is there a pattern here?


 

 
 

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1 minute ago, Belantis said:

So you played SB for a few month, claimed to have won the game but actually got crushed and blaimed it on dupes and hacks. You sound like a sore loser to me.

Also, I have never seen you in CF, is there a pattern here?

Where exactly is the proof that I got "crushed and blamed dupes and hacks" ?  Oh there is none, it's just a warped narrative that you've come up with!  Ta-da


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41 minutes ago, VIKINGNAIL said:

Where exactly is the proof that I got "crushed and blamed dupes and hacks" ?  Oh there is none, it's just a warped narrative that you've come up with!  Ta-da

You hopped in and out SB... you left absolutly zero marks. You then hopped into DF in an uber alliance being the local jester.

I started playing in the EU beta of SB in an alliance that proved itself.

I played on Damnation EU until the death of the server in a small but competitive guild.

What are you trying to teach me about domination ? You should learn about perseverance, then maybe will you have shot at glory.

You have zero proof of your alleged skills.


 

 
 

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34 minutes ago, Belantis said:

You hopped in and out SB... you left absolutly zero marks. You then hopped into DF in an uber alliance being the local jester.

I started playing in the EU beta of SB in an alliance that proved itself.

I played on Damnation EU until the death of the server in a small but competitive guild.

What are you trying to teach me about domination ? You should learn about perseverance, then maybe will you have shot at glory.

You have zero proof of your alleged skills.

Again, my guild was undefeated in shadowbane, anyone that was anyone when the game was populated knew and feared us.

I've never been part of a DF uber alliance, again, this is another made up narrative by you.  You guys really need to learn to appreciate facts over conjuring up completely random lies. 

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10 hours ago, VIKINGNAIL said:

Again, my guild was undefeated in shadowbane, anyone that was anyone when the game was populated knew and feared us.

I've never been part of a DF uber alliance, again, this is another made up narrative by you.  You guys really need to learn to appreciate facts over conjuring up completely random lies. 

I may not have much right to post on this thread but this guy seems believable.


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1 minute ago, chancellor said:

I may not have much right to post on this thread but this guy seems believable.

I'm not sure defeating r30s after the best guild in the nation left is anything worth chronicling.


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20 hours ago, VIKINGNAIL said:

Not only did I play, I dominated SB at its most competitive.  What's funny is seeing people that weren't even dominant at a game try to tell a dominant player how it actually was as they sit there attempting to distort facts and look back with rose-tinted goggles at a game that didn't function properly at all as a release product. 

But it's the same old point.  If SB was so amazing and the players that believe that were so talented at gaming, why weren't they able to find success in more competitive games?

People can tell their "stories" but their stories may not be objective.  It's not uncommon for people to try and glorify things they think they were good at.  In this case with SB though, most of these "veterans" came late to the SB party and don't realize there were much better players than them that left because the game was not great, for a multitude of reasons.  

It's honestly funny just seeing what a warped narrative people come up with when faced with the facts. 

To be frank, that you are unaware that the above non-bolded statements say more about you than the players you are attempting to trash tells me how poor a player you must have been. The best players are always seeking to improve their game - not stating they already know it all. In addition, that you use the term "I" and apply that to more than 50k players - having at best only played against maybe a tenth of that number further illustrates just how little you understand the mechanics of a game guild around guild/nation conflict. It wasn't Shadowduel- it was Shadowbane.

19 hours ago, VIKINGNAIL said:

Again, my guild was undefeated in shadowbane, ... this is another made up narrative by yours truly.  You really need to learn to conjure up completely random lies over appreciating facts. 

Translated from Vikingnail to English. On another note, anyone who fears someone in a video game is not a top shelf player.

8 hours ago, VIKINGNAIL said:

I'm not sure defeating r30s after the best guild in the nation left is anything worth chronicling.

What guild was this? When did you leave? Where did you go once you were homeless (in game)?


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9 hours ago, vandarr said:

To be frank, that you are unaware that the above non-bolded statements say more about you than the players you are attempting to trash tells me how poor a player you must have been. The best players are always seeking to improve their game - not stating they already know it all. In addition, that you use the term "I" and apply that to more than 50k players - having at best only played against maybe a tenth of that number further illustrates just how little you understand the mechanics of a game guild around guild/nation conflict. It wasn't Shadowduel- it was Shadowbane.

Translated from Vikingnail to English. On another note, anyone who fears someone in a video game is not a top shelf player.

What guild was this? When did you leave? Where did you go once you were homeless (in game)?

Oh look, again you've read the words, but misconstrued their meaning!  Go ahead and quote anything I've said that indicates best players stop trying to improve their game. 


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On 6/23/2017 at 0:24 PM, chancellor said:

I may not have much right to post on this thread but this guy seems believable.

That is absolutely amazing! Well there goes the "Table of Champions" Lol!

Or... there's this link(see comments)

http://massivelyop.com/2015/11/21/the-game-archaeologist-shadowbane/

Or this synopsis from their forums (Shadowbane History)

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/orgs/LOTD

It's funny, almost everywhere you look, .... same story... LAPD destroyed Rolling 30's as a nation... I guess it's why they left....Too low of a skill ceiling...LMMFAO.


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1 hour ago, armegeddon said:

That is absolutely amazing! Well there goes the "Table of Champions" Lol!

Or... there's this link(see comments)

http://massivelyop.com/2015/11/21/the-game-archaeologist-shadowbane/

Or this synopsis from their forums (Shadowbane History)

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/orgs/LOTD

It's funny, almost everywhere you look, .... same story... LAPD destroyed Rolling 30's as a nation... I guess it's why they left....Too low of a skill ceiling...LMMFAO.

Destroying a nation where most of the players have already quit and gone elsewhere to other servers and/or games means very little.  But people want the narrative that fits their bias more than the facts of what actually happened apparently.

I mean it's kind of interesting that people admit sb had stagnation problems, but no, that couldn't possibly have happened to r30s when they won the server in less than a month.  Everyone must have still been playing 24-7 for months straight on a stagnated server because that's the more likely narrative right?

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On ‎6‎/‎27‎/‎2017 at 10:20 AM, VIKINGNAIL said:

Destroying a nation where most of the players have already quit and gone elsewhere to other servers and/or games means very little.  But people want the narrative that fits their bias more than the facts of what actually happened apparently.

I mean it's kind of interesting that people admit sb had stagnation problems, but no, that couldn't possibly have happened to r30s when they won the server in less than a month.  Everyone must have still been playing 24-7 for months straight on a stagnated server because that's the more likely narrative right?

Speaking of revisionist history...

Didn't some R30s players get banned for hacking the server?

I would think it's pretty easy to "win" when your average player has only been exposed to the game for a few weeks. I'm not going to say that a video game standard needs to go to the standard of 10,000 hours, but let's get serious here - not even your most hardcore gamer can play "24-7 for months straight". Even pro gamers will tell you it takes thousands of hours to truly get good at a game. Even at 12 hours a day, you're looking at almost 90 days to get to just 1k hours. In SB, half of that would've been spent just running around with no combat at all to speak of - or selling, or training, or levelling in PvE content. That first month, most players were just getting the hang of learning the game basics, like point-to-click movement.


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Is there no point of contention VN won't pervasively exploit? 


40 minutes ago, Andius said:

W/HoA were held up as like these mystical forces of highly skilled players with legendary theorycrafters chained to a desk in some deep dungeon holding all the arcane secrets we could use to win if only we knew them.

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On 6/21/2017 at 0:58 AM, VIKINGNAIL said:

I see a lot of SB nostalgia type threads, or SB veterans, etc etc.  I like adding clarity to some of these threads, as one of the most old school SB players, because people seem to remember the game with rose-tinted goggles.

 

Dude, you're not an "old school SB player," let alone "one of the most old school SB players." In terms of your game knowledge and ability, you are a complete newb. You haven't owned a city, run an organized guild, or prosecuted a single successful siege, let alone serving as a siege commander in a war of extended duration involving numerous banes and the stress and attrition that comes with that position, unlike many of the actual old school SB players here (the ones you probably refer to here as "SB veterans"). Additionally, since you left the game so ridiculously early with such a minimal amount of experience limited to a small release server, you haven't even witnessed a truly competitive siege featuring complex tactics, complex group composition, and competitive hard-bitten personalities who themselves had over time learned to excel at a nonpareil level on the specialist characters from their particular area of expertise. You have not even witnessed a truly excellent bane commander, an excellent priest player, an excellent scout, an excellent pure support bard, an excellent caster player, a truly excellent confessor player (I distinctly remember 'em from '03 as well as the crappy templates from that period), an excellent assassin player, and so on and so forth. You played in banes where crudely unorganized masses of bad players with bad '03 templates, with tons of unfinished chars on each side with few if any dedicated support players, crashed into one another until either SB.exe's or superior numbers determined the winner. You don't even know how to build an effective character in any class - your 2003 idea of a "template" would be balls. You've never even witnessed a spec group in action, and you quit before /tar, target calling, and voice comm use became universalized--therefore you've never encountered a solid target caller in the heat of battle either. Obviously you've never witnessed skilled target calling and skilled target conversion following the removal of /tar either, so you have absolutely no concept of how much skill is required in SB GVG. You erroneously believe that SB PvP is "slow" and doesn't require fast reflexes because you've never witnessed nor competed in a widely contested mine fight at Obsidian involving multiple nations fighting simultaneously with others unexpectedly crashing the party out of nowhere. You've never seen a spec group of any form. You don't even know what a frickin' Nephilim is, or what Vamp Necromancers do. 

Another thing that you can't seem to get into your head is that virtually all of us played since the release of Shadowbane, on a release server just like you *supposedly* did (many played even before that, in beta), so that fact alone does not qualify you as notable in any way or even "old school." You can't say you're an "old school Shadowbane player" due to what that statement implies and due to the fact that you barely even qualify as a generic "Shadowbane player," minus all other descriptive adjectives, since you were merely a casual. I'm genuinely intrigued as to how you developed this psychotic delusion that you were some good SB player during a competitive time merely because you served as a featureless scrub attached to the masses of a release server zerg that registered a modicum of success on an uncompetitive release server at a highly uncompetitive time. The level of innovation associated with GvG and siege warfare strategies had hardly come along by the time the release servers closed even. Both Vengeance and Corruption quickly became far more competitive than any individual release server on its own, as all of the most competitive guilds that had conquered and survived their respective release servers migrated to those two servers to war with one another in what could almost be analogized to a "play-offs" of sorts. Vengeance was the most populated server as a result, and a different level of siege commander had to arise since this was the only server where different alliances of 150+ clashed with one another at banes. It quickly led to the dawn of spec groups and new levels of organization. Also, Vengeance probably validated the fact that Scorn wasn't the most competitive 'release' server at all, since on Vengeance each of the foremost Scorn migrant guilds aligned from the start (several of whom were old R30's, subs or descendants) and were soon thoroughly crushed by an ad hoc alliance of Treachery guilds (who incidentally hated each other). That's just a little extra history of the game you know nothing about--maybe you can re-roll as a new username again and use it for a better impersonation of a leet "old school Shadowbane player" act. Because up until now no one has bought it, and everyone knows that you actually sucked at the game. 

I truly cannot comprehend why, if you were in fact supposedly so leet in other "competitive PvP games" like WoW (lol), you would repeatedly insist that we judge you according to your alleged "old school Shadowbane player" history. If we were to do so with candor, we would have to assume that in CF you're going to be low tier fodder in pursuit of cover provided by whomever is the "zerg of the moment," and that thereafter you're probably going to quit after a few weeks. 

Just give it up already, son. 

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On 6/21/2017 at 7:05 AM, mythx said:

But when we created the SB.emu emulator I figure out that Xemise for example was miles ahead of me in pvp mechanic in SB and I had no chance against his warrior. :)

Xemise is easily one of the best and brightest players in the SB world but my human warrior "Endlosung" on the Mourning server regularly romped the sword/board Exodeous and at the very worst drew him a few times.* Although I did take advantage of the post-creation blood rune thing, dewped rank 1 human+warrior boonz, FC items + high health regen, and the occasional ghoul transformation to get a ridiculously unbelievable amount of hit points (if I wrote how much it wouldn't be believed). When I combined this, the xformation, plus rage chant from a resist:con fury bot it was like cheating, as the character was virtually unkillable. Then Varg copied the template and posted it on the goddamn ubiforums!

I made a few tanks utilizing similar principles in experimental templates on the emulators as well, a few were named Freezing Moon. Haven't lost a warrior duel across the two emulators yet either, even after surviving about 40 of 'em with all of the different jock sniffers that love riding my e-peen in vent. Before I joined WM everyone playing warriors thought GS was gimp. <_<

I guess while I'm at it I should also point out that throughout the entire 10v10 tournament I didn't d---nevermind, don't want to sound too conceited.

 

* so you can imagine how difficult it was for me at times to suppress my desire to argue when every now and then in WM Vent Kally or someone else who enjoyed the self-fellatio involved in SotD/FTP memory lane time would start yappin' on and on about how Xemise never ever ever lost a fight on his warrior...


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52 minutes ago, managainsttime said:

 

Dude, you're not an "old school SB player," let alone "one of the most old school SB players." In terms of your game knowledge and ability, you are a complete newb. You haven't owned a city, run an organized guild, or prosecuted a single successful siege, let alone serving as a siege commander in a war of extended duration involving numerous banes and the stress and attrition that comes with that position, unlike many of the actual old school SB players here (the ones you probably refer to here as "SB veterans"). Additionally, since you left the game so ridiculously early with such a minimal amount of experience limited to a small release server, you haven't even witnessed a truly competitive siege featuring complex tactics, complex group composition, and competitive hard-bitten personalities who themselves had over time learned to excel at a nonpareil level on the specialist characters from their particular area of expertise. You have not even witnessed a truly excellent bane commander, an excellent priest player, an excellent scout, an excellent pure support bard, an excellent caster player, a truly excellent confessor player (I distinctly remember 'em from '03 as well as the crappy templates from that period), an excellent assassin player, and so on and so forth. You played in banes where crudely unorganized masses of bad players with bad '03 templates, with tons of unfinished chars on each side with few if any dedicated support players, crashed into one another until either SB.exe's or superior numbers determined the winner. You don't even know how to build an effective character in any class - your 2003 idea of a "template" would be balls. You've never even witnessed a spec group in action, and you quit before /tar, target calling, and voice comm use became universalized--therefore you've never encountered a solid target caller in the heat of battle either. Obviously you've never witnessed skilled target calling and skilled target conversion following the removal of /tar either, so you have absolutely no concept of how much skill is required in SB GVG. You erroneously believe that SB PvP is "slow" and doesn't require fast reflexes because you've never witnessed nor competed in a widely contested mine fight at Obsidian involving multiple nations fighting simultaneously with others unexpectedly crashing the party out of nowhere. You've never seen a spec group of any form. You don't even know what a frickin' Nephilim is, or what Vamp Necromancers do. 

Another thing that you can't seem to get into your head is that virtually all of us played since the release of Shadowbane, on a release server just like you *supposedly* did (many played even before that, in beta), so that fact alone does not qualify you as notable in any way or even "old school." You can't say you're an "old school Shadowbane player" due to what that statement implies and due to the fact that you barely even qualify as a generic "Shadowbane player," minus all other descriptive adjectives, since you were merely a casual. I'm genuinely intrigued as to how you developed this psychotic delusion that you were some good SB player during a competitive time merely because you served as a featureless scrub attached to the masses of a release server zerg that registered a modicum of success on an uncompetitive release server at a highly uncompetitive time. The level of innovation associated with GvG and siege warfare strategies had hardly come along by the time the release servers closed even. Both Vengeance and Corruption quickly became far more competitive than any individual release server on its own, as all of the most competitive guilds that had conquered and survived their respective release servers migrated to those two servers to war with one another in what could almost be analogized to a "play-offs" of sorts. Vengeance was the most populated server as a result, and a different level of siege commander had to arise since this was the only server where different alliances of 150+ clashed with one another at banes. It quickly led to the dawn of spec groups and new levels of organization. Also, Vengeance probably validated the fact that Scorn wasn't the most competitive 'release' server at all, since on Vengeance each of the foremost Scorn migrant guilds aligned from the start (several of whom were old R30's, subs or descendants) and were soon thoroughly crushed by an ad hoc alliance of Treachery guilds (who incidentally hated each other). That's just a little extra history of the game you know nothing about--maybe you can re-roll as a new username again and use it for a better impersonation of a leet "old school Shadowbane player" act. Because up until now no one has bought it, and everyone knows that you actually sucked at the game. 

I truly cannot comprehend why, if you were in fact supposedly so leet in other "competitive PvP games" like WoW (lol), you would repeatedly insist that we judge you according to your alleged "old school Shadowbane player" history. If we were to do so with candor, we would have to assume that in CF you're going to be low tier fodder in pursuit of cover provided by whomever is the "zerg of the moment," and that thereafter you're probably going to quit after a few weeks. 

Just give it up already, son. 

Very well done. It will not matter though. "He Who We Shall Not Mention" will kill this thread as well with fallacious circular arguments, report button spam and obnoxious self aggrandizement. 


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